{"id":331635,"date":"2024-11-14T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2024-11-13T23:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/nezarazene\/pavel-kosatik-zajimaly-me-motivace-zpusoby-jak-ti-lide-uvazovali-a-jak-se-rozhodovali-a-cim-za-sva-rozhodnuti-platili\/"},"modified":"2024-11-14T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2024-11-13T23:00:00","slug":"pavel-kosatik-zajimaly-me-motivace-zpusoby-jak-ti-lide-uvazovali-a-jak-se-rozhodovali-a-cim-za-sva-rozhodnuti-platili","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/rozhovor\/pavel-kosatik-zajimaly-me-motivace-zpusoby-jak-ti-lide-uvazovali-a-jak-se-rozhodovali-a-cim-za-sva-rozhodnuti-platili\/","title":{"rendered":"Pavel Kosat\u00edk: \u201eZaj\u00edmaly m\u011b motivace, zp\u016fsoby, jak ti lid\u00e9 uva\u017eovali a jak se rozhodovali. A \u010d\u00edm za sv\u00e1 rozhodnut\u00ed platili.\u201c"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Kniha <a title=\"Podnik&aacute;n&iacute; pod Davidovou hv\u011bzdou\" href=\"https:\/\/www.knihcentrum.cz\/podnikani-pod-davidovou-hvezdou\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Podnik&aacute;n&iacute; pod Davidovou hv\u011bzdou<\/a> vypr&aacute;v&iacute; o \u017eidovsk&yacute;ch rodin&aacute;ch, kter&eacute; velkou m\u011brou p\u0159isp\u011bly k rozvoji a vzestupu \u010desk&yacute;ch zem&iacute;. O jak&eacute; oblasti rozvoje se jedn&aacute;?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Je to o rodin&aacute;ch, jejich\u017e \u010dlenov&eacute; se zapojili do r\u016fzn&yacute;ch oblast&iacute; podnik&aacute;n&iacute;, nej\u010dast\u011bji v pr\u016fmyslu, ale t\u0159eba tak&eacute; ve filmu apod. Ze za\u010d&aacute;tku jsem si dlouho nebyl jist&yacute;, jak&yacute; specifick&yacute; obsah &bdquo;\u017eidovsk&eacute; podnik&aacute;n&iacute;&ldquo; nabude. Nebude-li spojuj&iacute;c&iacute;m prvkem jenom to, \u017ee nakonec na \u017eivoty v&scaron;ech t\u011bch lid&iacute; za&uacute;to\u010dil Hitler, a pokud se do\u017eili se &scaron;t\u011bst&iacute;m roku 1945, p\u0159ipravili je o zbyl&yacute; majetek komunist&eacute;. Ale kdy\u017e jsem ty archivy a knihy za\u010dal studovat, zasko\u010dila m\u011b vnit\u0159n&iacute; dynamika velk&eacute; v\u011bt&scaron;iny t\u011bch p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh\u016f. V letech 1848-1938 se u n&aacute;s prosperity domohl leckdo, ale \u017eid&eacute;, kte\u0159&iacute; za\u010d&iacute;nali z nejpon&iacute;\u017een\u011bj&scaron;&iacute;ch pozic v ghettech, nov&yacute;mi svobodami z&iacute;sk&aacute;vali nejv&iacute;c. Ta prudkost, s jakou se najednou projevila jejich po&nbsp;stalet&iacute; spout&aacute;van&aacute; \u017eivotn&iacute; energie, p\u0159i zp\u011btn&eacute;m pohledu p\u016fsob&iacute; a\u017e neskute\u010dn\u011b. A pro jej&iacute; nositele z&aacute;rove\u0148 dlouho nesamoz\u0159ejm\u011b, byla to novinka, kterou jejich p\u0159edkov&eacute; neznali. Kdy\u017e vznikla prvn&iacute; \u010ceskoslovensk&aacute; republika, pat\u0159ili proto \u017eid&eacute; k jej&iacute;m nejloaj&aacute;ln\u011bj&scaron;&iacute;m ob\u010dan\u016fm.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>V jak&eacute;m obdob&iacute; byl u n&aacute;s vliv \u017eidovsk&yacute;ch magn&aacute;t\u016f nejznateln\u011bj&scaron;&iacute;?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Pozice \u017eid\u016f u n&aacute;s se podstatn\u011b zm\u011bnila a\u017e v revolu\u010dn&iacute;ch letech 1848-1849, kdy jim bylo umo\u017en\u011bno vyj&iacute;t z ghett a z\u016fstat z&aacute;rove\u0148 d&aacute;l \u017eidy. Skoro &uacute;pln&eacute; zrovnopr&aacute;vn\u011bn&iacute; s ostatn&iacute;m obyvatelstvem bylo dotvo\u0159eno &uacute;stavou z roku 1867. Ta sice neu\u010dinila p\u0159&iacute;tr\u017e antisemitismu, \u017eid&eacute; v&scaron;ak nyn&iacute; m\u011bli p\u0159&iacute;stup skoro ke v&scaron;em \u017eivnostem a ostatn&iacute;m profes&iacute;m, je\u017e jim byly do t&eacute; doby up&iacute;r&aacute;ny. Tvo\u0159ili hodnoty a z&iacute;sk&aacute;vali nejenom bohatstv&iacute;, ale i vlivn&aacute; m&iacute;sta ve ve\u0159ejn&eacute;m&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">\u017eivot\u011b, proto\u017ee se c&iacute;tili p\u0159&iacute;slu&scaron;n&iacute;ky celku. \u010casto loaj&aacute;ln\u011bj&scaron;&iacute;mi ne\u017e \u010ce&scaron;i, kte\u0159&iacute; \u010dasto brali demokracii i t&eacute; prvn&iacute; republiky jako logick&eacute; a zaslou\u017een&eacute; vy&uacute;st\u011bn&iacute; proces\u016f, kter&eacute; za\u010daly obrozen&iacute;m. \u017did&eacute; v\u011bd\u011bli, \u017ee na moment&aacute;ln&iacute; skute\u010dnosti nic samoz\u0159ejm&eacute;ho nen&iacute; a \u017ee m\u016f\u017ee b&yacute;t i mnohem h\u016f\u0159, jako je&scaron;t\u011b ned&aacute;vno bylo.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Jak&aacute; zaj&iacute;mav&aacute; jm&eacute;na v knize najdeme?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Zaj&iacute;mal jsem se o nejvlivn\u011bj&scaron;&iacute; rodiny a z&aacute;rove\u0148 jsem se sna\u017eil, aby kniha pokryla r\u016fzn&eacute; obory, uk&aacute;zala rozprostran\u011bnost \u017eidovsk&yacute;ch podnikatelsk&yacute;ch schopnost&iacute;. Ze zn&aacute;m&yacute;ch jmen je tam t\u0159eba Emil Kolben, zakladatel pozd\u011bj&scaron;&iacute;ho \u010cKD, Jind\u0159ich Waldes, kter&yacute; dobyl sv\u011bt textiln&iacute; galanteri&iacute; pod zna\u010dkou Koh-i-noor, nebo uhlobaroni a bank&eacute;\u0159i z dynastie Petschk\u016f. To v&scaron;echno byli skute\u010dn&iacute; kapit&aacute;ni \u010deskoslovensk&eacute;ho pr\u016fmyslu, lid&eacute;, kte\u0159&iacute; d&aacute;vali pr&aacute;ci desetitis&iacute;c\u016fm lid&iacute; a ve v&yacute;rob\u011b zav&aacute;d\u011bli nejprogresivn\u011bj&scaron;&iacute; inovace, p\u016fsobili na &scaron;pici sv\u011btov&eacute;ho v&yacute;voje. Z dal&scaron;&iacute;ch t\u0159eba rodiny L&ouml;w-Beer\u016f a Tugendhat\u016f, textil&aacute;k\u016f, kte\u0159&iacute; reprezentuj&iacute; v knize n\u011bmeckojazy\u010dnou Moravu a hlavn\u011b Brno, p\u0159ezd&iacute;van&eacute; kdysi pro mno\u017estv&iacute; textiln&iacute;ch tov&aacute;ren &bdquo;Moravsk&yacute; Manchester&ldquo;. Pro mnoh&eacute; \u010dten&aacute;\u0159e bude mo\u017en&aacute; p\u0159ekvapen&iacute;m p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh filmov&eacute;ho&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">magn&aacute;ta Josefa Auerbacha, kter&yacute; st&aacute;l u vzniku nejslavn\u011bj&scaron;&iacute;ch komedi&iacute; Vlasty Buriana nebo Machat&eacute;ho Extase &ndash; a oba tyto povahou tak odli&scaron;n&eacute; typy film\u016f nav&iacute;c &uacute;sp\u011b&scaron;n\u011b &scaron;&iacute;\u0159il sv\u011btem. On, a nikoli Milo&scaron; Havel, kter&eacute;mu se to zpravidla p\u0159ipisuje, byl nej&uacute;sp\u011b&scaron;n\u011bj&scaron;&iacute;m filmov&yacute;m&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">podnikatelem prvn&iacute; republiky. Ale v knize jsou kapitoly i o relativn\u011b men&scaron;&iacute;ch, region&aacute;ln\u011b&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">v&scaron;ak v&yacute;znamn&yacute;ch \u017eidovsk&yacute;ch podnikatel&iacute;ch. Jde o p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhy podnikatelsk&yacute;ch vzestup\u016f a p&aacute;d\u016f, ne\u0159e&scaron;il jsem to ale tolik v rovin\u011b \u010d&iacute;sel, jako sp&iacute;&scaron; lidsk&yacute;ch&nbsp;p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh\u016f. Zaj&iacute;maly m\u011b motivace, zp\u016fsoby, jak ti lid&eacute; uva\u017eovali a jak se rozhodovali. A \u010d&iacute;m za sv&aacute; rozhodnut&iacute; platili.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>V knize p&iacute;&scaron;ete o osmi v&yacute;znamn&yacute;ch rodin&aacute;ch. Kter&aacute; z nich v&aacute;s sv&yacute;m p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhem zaujala nejv&iacute;c?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Bavilo m\u011b to v&scaron;echno, ale zaujalo m\u011b, \u017ee skoro ze v&scaron;ech t\u011bch kapitol se nakonec vyloupl p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh v p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhu: najednou to p\u0159erostlo v drama, kter&eacute; se mi \u010dasto zobrazovalo a\u017e ve &bdquo;filmov&yacute;ch&ldquo; obrazech. Typicky t\u0159eba tragick&yacute; konec Alfreda L&ouml;w-Beera, hlavy sv&eacute;ho rodu:<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">p\u0159ed p\u0159&iacute;chodem nacist\u016f se o v&scaron;echny \u010dleny rodiny postaral, poslal je do Anglie. S&aacute;m z\u016fstal, doufal, \u017ee dok&aacute;\u017ee firmu zabezpe\u010dit. Po 15. b\u0159eznu 1939 zjistil, \u017ee to nebude mo\u017en&eacute;, a rozhodl se tedy, \u017ee odjede do Anglie na fale&scaron;n&eacute; doklady, vystaven&eacute; brn\u011bnsk&yacute;m gestapem. Netu&scaron;il, \u017ee &uacute;\u0159edn&iacute;ci jsou domluven&iacute; s nacisty, kte\u0159&iacute; na hranic&iacute;ch protektor&aacute;tu prov&aacute;d\u011bli ve vlac&iacute;ch kontroly, ti mu potom zabr&aacute;nili v dal&scaron;&iacute; cest\u011b. Dodnes nen&iacute; p\u0159esn\u011b jasn&eacute; a u\u017e se asi nikdy nezjist&iacute;, jak str&aacute;vil svou posledn&iacute; noc. Jist&eacute; je, \u017ee ji nep\u0159e\u017eil, na kolej&iacute;ch bylo nalezeno jenom jeho zohaven&eacute; t\u011blo &ndash; ale tak&eacute; \u017ee bojoval a\u017e do konce.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Tehdej&scaron;&iacute; \u017eidov&scaron;t&iacute; podnikatel&eacute; museli p\u0159est&aacute;t spoustu p\u0159&iacute;ko\u0159&iacute;, je\u017e jim u&scaron;t\u011bd\u0159ili nacist&eacute; a pozd\u011bji komunist&eacute;. Ust&aacute;la n\u011bkter&aacute; z rodin, o nich\u017e p&iacute;&scaron;ete, oba re\u017eimy?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Ust&aacute;li to hlavn\u011b ti, kdo p\u0159ed rokem 1938 \u010ceskoslovensko opustili: t&iacute;mto zp\u016fsobem si zachovali \u017eivoty a n\u011bkte\u0159&iacute; i majetek. Zde to ust&aacute;t ne&scaron;lo: nacistick&yacute; re\u017eim byl svou podstatou v\u016f\u010di \u017eid\u016fm genocidn&iacute; a v roce 1945 se zase hned za\u010dalo zn&aacute;rod\u0148ovat. Majetek jednou&nbsp;ukraden&yacute; v r&aacute;mci tzv. arizace byl ukraden&yacute; podruh&eacute; na z&aacute;klad\u011b dekret\u016f prezidenta Bene&scaron;e. \u010casto se p\u0159i tom argumentovalo t&iacute;m, \u017ee \u010d&aacute;st bohat&yacute;ch \u017eid\u016f byla n\u011bmeck&eacute;ho jazyka, a tak i kdy\u017e t\u0159eba str&aacute;vili celou v&aacute;lku v koncentr&aacute;ku, nebyli &scaron;et\u0159eni o nic v&iacute;c ne\u017e pr&aacute;v\u011b vyh&aacute;n\u011bn&iacute; N\u011bmci-okupanti.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Co v&scaron;echno obn&aacute;&scaron;elo seps&aacute;n&iacute; t&eacute;to&nbsp;<\/strong><strong>knihy? P\u0159edpokl&aacute;d&aacute;m, \u017ee nebylo &uacute;pln\u011b&nbsp;<\/strong><strong>jednoduch&eacute; z&iacute;skat pot\u0159ebn&eacute; archivn&iacute;&nbsp;<\/strong><strong>materi&aacute;ly&hellip;<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Pro \u017eidovsk&eacute; archivy a poz\u016fstalosti plat&iacute;, \u017ee se mnohem \u0159id\u010deji ne\u017e u ne\u017eidovsk&eacute; populace dochovaly v &uacute;pln&eacute; nebo dokonce n\u011bjak strukturovan&eacute; podob\u011b. Sami \u017eid&eacute; m\u011bli \u010dasto je&scaron;t\u011b p\u0159ed p\u0159&iacute;chodem nacist\u016f dost dobr&yacute;ch d\u016fvod\u016f likvidovat dokumentaci v&scaron;eho druhu. A\u017e do&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">roku 1989 zde v\u016fle archivovat \u017eidovsk&eacute; pam&aacute;tky nebyla velk&aacute;. Nen&iacute; to tedy tak, \u017ee ke ka\u017ed&eacute; rodin\u011b by existoval n\u011bjak&yacute; hlavn&iacute; fond, kter&yacute; by sta\u010dilo doplnit p&aacute;r men&scaron;&iacute;mi archivy, ale informace jsou mnohem v&iacute;c rozpt&yacute;len&eacute;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Jak&yacute; nejv\u011bt&scaron;&iacute; &bdquo;poklad&ldquo; se v&aacute;m poda\u0159ilo pro &uacute;\u010dely knihy z&iacute;skat? M&aacute;m na mysli konkr&eacute;tn&iacute; fotografii, dobovou listinu apod.<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Hodn\u011b m\u011b bavila t\u0159eba dosud nezn&aacute;m&aacute; korespondence Emila Kolbena z roku 1896, kdy se rozhodl zalo\u017eit svou prvn&iacute; pra\u017eskou tov&aacute;rnu, p\u0159edch\u016fdce pozd\u011bj&scaron;&iacute; \u010cKD. V t&eacute; dob\u011b m\u011bl za sebou velmi &uacute;sp\u011b&scaron;n&yacute; pobyt v Americe, kde byl n\u011bkolik let spolupracovn&iacute;kem Edisona, ale sezn&aacute;mil se tam tak&eacute; s Teslou, jeho\u017e koncepci st\u0159&iacute;dav&eacute;ho proudu, jeho v&yacute;roby a d&aacute;lkov&eacute;ho p\u0159enosu se rozhodl p\u0159en&eacute;st do Evropy. V tom roce 1896 ale byl je&scaron;t\u011b smluvn\u011b v&aacute;z&aacute;n k jedn&eacute; firm\u011b ve &Scaron;v&yacute;carsku &ndash; tak\u017ee to \u010cKD nakonec zalo\u017eil odtamtud ve form\u011b des&iacute;tek dopis\u016f, kter&eacute; si po mnoho m\u011bs&iacute;c\u016f vym\u011b\u0148oval se spolupracovn&iacute;ky v Praze. T&iacute;mto zp\u016fsobem, na d&aacute;lku, dal dohromady t\u0159eba skupinu bohat&yacute;ch podporovatel\u016f, kte\u0159&iacute; poskytli kapit&aacute;l. Je &uacute;\u017easn&eacute; sledovat v t\u011bch dopisech, na\u010d v&scaron;echno myslel a jak nekone\u010dn\u011b koncep\u010dn&iacute;m \u010dlov\u011bkem byl: tov&aacute;rnu ve Vyso\u010danech potom stav\u011bli na zelen&eacute; louce, a proto\u017ee zav&aacute;d\u011bli &uacute;pln\u011b novou v&yacute;robu, museli nejd\u0159&iacute;v vyrobit i stroje, na kter&yacute;ch cht\u011bli vyr&aacute;b\u011bt svou vlastn&iacute; produkci: elektromotory, turb&iacute;ny apod.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Prozrad&iacute;te n&aacute;m, zda m&aacute;te rozpracov&aacute;n dal&scaron;&iacute; kni\u017en&iacute; projekt?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Brzo by m\u011bla vyj&iacute;t kniha, kter&aacute; na podklad\u011b nezn&aacute;m&eacute; korespondence Jaroslava Seiferta a m&yacute;ch koment&aacute;\u0159\u016f k n&iacute; d&aacute;v&aacute; dohromady takov&yacute; specifick&yacute; \u017eivotopis. Jmenuje se to B&aacute;sn&iacute;k a jeho lid a je to o tom, \u017ee tv\u016frce m\u016f\u017ee nastoupit jako otcovsk&aacute; figura v situaci, kdy politici selh&aacute;vaj&iacute;. Seifert n\u011bkolikr&aacute;t v \u017eivot\u011b zaujal postoje, na kter&eacute; se lid&eacute; jako t\u0159eba Alexander Dub\u010dek nezmohli, a ta kniha by m\u011bla nazna\u010dit, odkud se pro zm\u011bnu zase tento zvl&aacute;&scaron;tn&iacute; druh energie vzal.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Text: Mark&eacute;ta Bolfov&aacute;<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Foto: Peter Kor\u010dek<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u017didov\u0161t\u00ed podnikatel\u00e9 zanechali v \u010desk\u00fdch zem\u00edch nesmazatelnou stopu. 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