{"id":331061,"date":"2023-06-05T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2023-06-04T22:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/nezarazene\/lucie-machackova-a-katerina-krobova-prala-bych-si-aby-kazda-ctenarka-ktera-knihu-otevre-v-ni-nasla-to-co-prave-potrebuje\/"},"modified":"2023-06-05T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2023-06-04T22:00:00","slug":"lucie-machackova-a-katerina-krobova-prala-bych-si-aby-kazda-ctenarka-ktera-knihu-otevre-v-ni-nasla-to-co-prave-potrebuje","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/rozhovor\/lucie-machackova-a-katerina-krobova-prala-bych-si-aby-kazda-ctenarka-ktera-knihu-otevre-v-ni-nasla-to-co-prave-potrebuje\/","title":{"rendered":"Lucie Mach\u00e1\u010dkov\u00e1 a Kate\u0159ina Krobov\u00e1: \u201eP\u0159\u00e1la bych si, aby ka\u017ed\u00e1 \u010dten\u00e1\u0159ka, kter\u00e1 knihu otev\u0159e, v n\u00ed na\u0161la to, co pr\u00e1v\u011b pot\u0159ebuje&#8230;\u201c"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u0158ekn\u011bte n&aacute;m, kdo je Lucie Mach&aacute;\u010dkov&aacute; a kdo Kate\u0159ina Krobov&aacute;?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Lucie Mach&aacute;\u010dkov&aacute;:<\/strong> Katka Krobov&aacute; je \u017eena mnoha talent\u016f i rol&iacute;. Vn&iacute;m&aacute;m ji p\u0159edev&scaron;&iacute;m jako fam&oacute;zn&iacute; dramaturgyni, kter&aacute; um&iacute; dob\u0159e naslouchat a zakl&aacute;d&aacute; si na pe\u010dlivosti a porozum\u011bn&iacute;&nbsp;textu. Autorka, kter&aacute; st&aacute;la u zrodu Comebacku, kter&aacute; m&aacute; na sv&eacute;m &bdquo;kont\u011b&rdquo; spolupr&aacute;ci na spoust\u011b dokument&aacute;rn&iacute;ch i hran&yacute;ch film\u016f. Je autorkou unik&aacute;tn&iacute; d\u011btsk&eacute; knihy \u017diful&iacute;ci, Trpasl&iacute;ci z Hr&aacute;de\u010dku a na Spotify najdete i stejnojmenn&yacute; poh&aacute;dkov&yacute; podcast. V sou\u010dasn&eacute; dob\u011b pracujev Centru v&yacute;voje publicistick&eacute; a dokument&aacute;rn&iacute; tvorby \u010cT a krom\u011b toho \u017eongluje se spoustou dal&scaron;&iacute;ch v\u011bc&iacute;, t\u0159eba spolupracuje na divadeln&iacute;ch projektech s Vandou Hybnerovou. Je bo\u017e&iacute; maminkou dvou roztomil&yacute;ch kluk\u016f Bartolom\u011bje a Jeron&yacute;ma. Nej\u010dast\u011bji ji m\u016f\u017eete zahl&eacute;dnout s ta&scaron;kou, ve kter&eacute; se skr&yacute;v&aacute; &scaron;t\u011bn\u011b jm&eacute;nem Orla.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong><br \/>Kate\u0159ina Krobov&aacute;:<\/strong> Lucie Mach&aacute;\u010dkov&aacute; nen&iacute; jenom jedna. Jde o cel&yacute; t&yacute;m Luci&iacute;, ve kter&eacute;m m&aacute; ka\u017ed&aacute; Lucie na starosti n\u011bco jin&eacute;ho a d\u011bl&aacute; to na sto procent. Ve\u0159ejn\u011b nejzn&aacute;m\u011bj&scaron;&iacute; Lucie je &uacute;sp\u011b&scaron;n&aacute; \u010desk&aacute; stand-up komi\u010dka a moder&aacute;torka. Nad\u011bjnou Luci&iacute; je ta, kter&aacute; p&iacute;&scaron;e bestsellery a nahr&aacute;v&aacute; k nim audioknihy. Aktu&aacute;ln\u011b jde o titul Historky z Tinderu. Pak je tu m&eacute;n\u011b zn&aacute;m&aacute; Lucie, kter&aacute; vede selfpromotion t&yacute;m \u010cesk&eacute; televize. Moje obl&iacute;ben&aacute; Lucie je ta, kter&aacute; ve &bdquo;voln&eacute;m \u010dase&ldquo; chod&iacute; na akrobacii a zachra\u0148uje ko\u010dky. Pak je tu m&aacute; spoluautorka a kamar&aacute;dka, se kterou m&aacute;me neust&aacute;le spoustu projekt\u016f ve v&yacute;voji. A v&iacute;te, co je nejv\u011bt&scaron;&iacute; vtip? \u017de v&scaron;echny tyhle Lucie jsou vlastn\u011b takov&eacute; vedlej&scaron;&aacute;ky t&eacute; jedn&eacute; jedin&eacute; hlavn&iacute; a nejd\u016fle\u017eit\u011bj&scaron;&iacute; Lucie &ndash; Lucie, m&aacute;my mal&eacute; Charlottky!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Jak vznikl n&aacute;pad na projekt Protivn&yacute; sprost&yacute; matky? A pro\u010d ten n&aacute;zev?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>L.M.:<\/strong> N&aacute;pad vytvo\u0159it po\u0159ad Protivn&yacute; sprost&yacute; matky se zrodil v roce 2019. Tehdy jsem byla bezd\u011btn&aacute; a hodn\u011b lid&iacute; se podivovalo, pro\u010d zrovna j&aacute; p\u0159ich&aacute;z&iacute;m s n&aacute;vrhem mate\u0159sk&eacute;ho po\u0159adu. D&aacute; se \u0159&iacute;ct, \u017ee po\u0159ad je audiovizu&aacute;ln&iacute;m ztv&aacute;rn\u011bn&iacute;m m&eacute;ho v&aacute;h&aacute;n&iacute;, zdali se matkou st&aacute;t. Nat&aacute;\u010det tento po\u0159ad pro m\u011b bylo terapi&iacute; i inspirac&iacute;, proto\u017ee v r&aacute;mci toho jsme se potkali s velk&yacute;m mno\u017estv&iacute;m matek (a n\u011bkolika otci) a j&aacute; m\u011bla mo\u017enost vid\u011bt, \u017ee u ka\u017ed&eacute;ho to funguje trochu jinak. To m\u011b povzbudilo a v roce 2021, b\u011bhem nat&aacute;\u010den&iacute; t\u0159et&iacute; s&eacute;rie Matek, jsem se stala &bdquo;Matkou&rdquo; taky. A n&aacute;zev? Bylo to prvn&iacute;, co m\u011b napadlo, a o \u017e&aacute;dn&eacute;m dal&scaron;&iacute;m n&aacute;zvu jsem nikdy neuva\u017eovala. Protivn&yacute; sprost&yacute; matky rule the world.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>K.K.:<\/strong> Roku 2020 jsem se vr&aacute;tila po &scaron;esti letech z rodi\u010dovsk&eacute; a n&aacute;m\u011bt na Luciin projekt byl prvn&iacute;, kter&yacute; jsem dostala na st\u016fl. Bylo to pro mne velmi osobn&iacute;. Mysl&iacute;m, \u017ee kombinace n&aacute;s t\u0159&iacute; &ndash; Lucie, v&aacute;haj&iacute;c&iacute; p\u0159ed prahem mate\u0159stv&iacute;, moder&aacute;torky Terezy, kter&aacute; se m&aacute;mou stala b\u011bhem nat&aacute;\u010den&iacute; po\u0159adu, a mne jako matky, kter&aacute; se pr&aacute;v\u011b vrac&iacute; z rodi\u010dovsk&eacute;, dal cel&eacute;mu po\u0159adu nezam\u011bnitelnou dynamiku. N&aacute;zev po\u0159adu ch&aacute;pu jako &scaron;t&iacute;t. To, co si ka\u017ed&aacute; matka schov&aacute;v&aacute; ve sv&eacute; t\u0159in&aacute;ct&eacute; komnat\u011b, co na sob\u011b nesn&aacute;&scaron;&iacute;, nen&aacute;vid&iacute;, za co se styd&iacute;, co si vy\u010d&iacute;t&aacute;, si my d&aacute;v&aacute;me na v&yacute;v\u011bsn&iacute; &scaron;t&iacute;t. Za n&aacute;s v&scaron;echny. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Jak prob&iacute;hal v&yacute;b\u011br host\u016f do va&scaron;eho po\u0159adu? Oz&yacute;valy se v&aacute;m &bdquo;matky&ldquo; i samy od sebe, \u017ee by cht\u011bly ve\u0159ejn\u011b povypr&aacute;v\u011bt sv\u016fj p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>K.K.:<\/strong> V&yacute;b\u011br t&eacute;mat a host\u016f prob&iacute;hal zd&aacute;nliv\u011b \u017eiveln\u011b. M\u011bly jsme zkr&aacute;tka n&aacute;pady. Moder&aacute;torka Tereza Do\u010dkalov&aacute;, scen&aacute;ristka Albertina Kalinov&aacute; nebo re\u017eis&eacute;rka prvn&iacute; s&eacute;rie Lucie Kl&iacute;mov&aacute;, ty v&scaron;echny p\u0159ich&aacute;zely s podn\u011bty. Pak jsme tu byly my dv\u011b s Luci&iacute;, kter&eacute; jsme to v&scaron;echno dr\u017eely pohromad\u011b.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong><br \/>L.M.:<\/strong> N\u011bkter&eacute; hostky se n&aacute;m samy hl&aacute;sily, ale sp&iacute;&scaron;e jsme je oslovovaly my podle t&eacute;mat, kter&eacute; jsme vyb&iacute;raly. Jednou jsme s&aacute;hly po hostce, jej&iacute;\u017e p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh jsme si p\u0159e\u010detly na na&scaron;&iacute; facebookov&eacute; skupin\u011b #Protivn&yacute; sprost&yacute; matky. Jej&iacute; p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh je zpracov&aacute;n i v knize. <\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Host po\u0159adu \u010dili protivn&aacute; sprost&aacute; matka m&aacute; v\u017edy na z&aacute;v\u011br p\u0159ichystan&yacute; protivn&yacute; sprost&yacute; vzkaz. Vzpomenete si na jeden, kter&yacute; se v&aacute;m nejv&iacute;c vryl do pam\u011bti?<br \/>K.K.:<\/strong> Asi ten Edity Struskov&eacute;. Proto\u017ee byl prvn&iacute;, kter&yacute; jsme nato\u010dily. &bdquo;Sahejte si na prsa!&ldquo; Pom\u011brn\u011b \u010dasto se tam ale objevovala i rada ohledn\u011b toho neb&aacute;t se \u0159&iacute;ct si o pomoc, nep\u0159estat \u017e&iacute;t i nemate\u0159sk&yacute; \u017eivot nebo si v&iacute;c v\u011b\u0159it. V&scaron;echno podepisuju.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong><br \/>L.M.:<\/strong> Pro m\u011b je to asi vzkaz zp\u011bva\u010dky Nikoly Muchy. Kdy\u017e jsem se j&iacute; zeptala, co by vzk&aacute;zala na&scaron;im diva\u010dk&aacute;m, za\u0159vala: &bdquo;Je\u017ei&scaron;marj&aacute;, nechte&nbsp;m\u011b bejt!&rdquo; Zasko\u010den\u011b jsem zamumlala, \u017ee oukej, nemus&iacute;me to d\u011blat. A ona s &uacute;sm\u011bvem pravila: &bdquo;N&eacute;, to bylo ono!&rdquo; Poj\u010fme na sebe b&yacute;t prost\u011b hodn&eacute; a nechat se navz&aacute;jem &bdquo;bejt&ldquo;!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>V knize jsou rozeb&iacute;r&aacute;na siln&aacute; t&eacute;mata jako poporodn&iacute; deprese, potraty, adopce, rozvod&hellip; N\u011bkter&eacute; z p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh\u016f jsou &uacute;sm\u011bvn&eacute;, jin&eacute; smutn&eacute;. M\u011bly jste n\u011bkdy vy samy probl&eacute;m udr\u017eet sv&eacute; emoce na uzd\u011b a nerozplakat se na kameru?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>K.K.:<\/strong> Pro mne osobn\u011b bylo nat&aacute;\u010den&iacute; zrovna t\u011bchto d&iacute;l\u016f hodn\u011b osobn&iacute; z&aacute;le\u017eitost&iacute;. Koneckonc\u016f v knize sama p\u0159izn&aacute;v&aacute;m, co se se mnou d\u011blo v z&aacute;zem&iacute; nat&aacute;\u010den&iacute;. Ale pamatuji si i to, jak se mi tajil dech nap\u0159&iacute;klad b\u011bhem nat&aacute;\u010den&iacute; d&iacute;lu Matky versus adopce. Zopakovala jsem si to pak p\u0159i \u010dten&iacute; t&eacute;to kapitoly, kterou psala Lucie. Velmi mi to pomohlo si uv\u011bdomit spoustu v\u011bc&iacute; i ohledn\u011b moj&iacute; vlastn&iacute; rodiny. R&aacute;da bych je&scaron;t\u011b \u0159ekla,&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">v \u010dem je kniha jin&aacute; ne\u017e po\u0159ad. P\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhy jsme zpracov&aacute;valy na z&aacute;klad\u011b tzv. hrub&eacute;ho materi&aacute;lu, to znamen&aacute; i toho, co se do po\u0159adu neve&scaron;lo. Tak&eacute; jsme n\u011bkter&eacute; kapitoly je&scaron;t\u011b aktualizovaly. Vznikl dokonce i jeden p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh speci&aacute;ln\u011b jen pro knihu s T&aacute;\u0148ou Glosovou. T&aacute;\u0148a je gynekolo\u017eka s letitou, pestrou zku&scaron;enost&iacute; z \u010desk&eacute;ho porodnictv&iacute; a z&aacute;rove\u0148 trojn&aacute;sobn&aacute; m&aacute;ma. Nab&iacute;z&iacute; jinou perspektivu, kter&aacute; v n\u011b\u010dem m\u016f\u017ee trochu&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">rozporovat tu &bdquo;na&scaron;i&rdquo;. Anebo taky ne.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>L.M.:<\/strong> Pro m\u011b byl velmi emotivn&iacute; rozhovor s Ninou &Scaron;pit&aacute;ln&iacute;kovou v epizod\u011b Matky versus N&aacute;lepky. Poslouchala jsem se zatajen&yacute;m dechem jej&iacute; p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh samom&aacute;my. Troufnu si \u0159&iacute;ct, \u017ee to byl ten moment, kdy jsem se definitivn\u011b rozhodla se maminkou st&aacute;t.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Jak&eacute; byly na <a title=\"Protivn&yacute; sprost&yacute; matky\" href=\"https:\/\/www.knihcentrum.cz\/protivny-sprosty-matky\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span style=\"color: #1b3f75;\">Protivn&yacute; sprost&yacute; matky<\/span><\/a> prvn&iacute; reakce z \u0159ad ve\u0159ejnosti?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>L.M.:<\/strong> Troufnu si \u0159&iacute;ct, \u017ee od za\u010d&aacute;tku byly velmi pozitivn&iacute;. C&iacute;lov&aacute; skupina si po\u0159ad rychle na&scaron;la a ocenila jeho nehranou autenticitu a otev\u0159enost. Setk&aacute;vala jsem se &ndash; a dodnes setk&aacute;v&aacute;m &ndash; s kontroverzemi ohledn\u011b jeho n&aacute;zvu. Asi jsem nikdy ned&aacute;vala rozhovor, kde bych jej nemusela vysv\u011btlovat. A tento rozhovor nen&iacute;&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">v&yacute;jimkou.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>K.K.:<\/strong> Pro mne byla d\u016fle\u017eit&aacute; zp\u011btn&aacute; vazba matek na ty t\u011b\u017ek&eacute; d&iacute;ly. Ty sice nem\u011bly tak vysokou sledovanost jako d&iacute;ly, kter&eacute; byly v&iacute;c lifestylov&eacute; a s nadhledem, ale zase m\u011bly osobn\u011bj&scaron;&iacute; zp\u011btnou vazbu. Jsem nad&scaron;en&aacute; z toho, \u017ee se n&aacute;m povedlo skloubit jak humor a nadhled, tak i t&eacute;mata, kter&aacute; tak stra&scaron;n\u011b bol&iacute;, \u017ee je rad\u011bji ani&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">nechceme otev&iacute;rat.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Co byste vzk&aacute;zaly potencion&aacute;ln&iacute;m \u010dten&aacute;\u0159\u016fm? Co jim kniha m\u016f\u017ee p\u0159in&eacute;st? J&aacute; sama si \u0159&iacute;k&aacute;m:&nbsp;<\/strong><\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>&Scaron;koda, \u017ee tu Protivn&yacute; sprost&yacute; matky nebyly d\u0159&iacute;v &ndash; kdy\u017e jsem byla t\u011bhotn&aacute;&hellip;<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>K.K.:<\/strong> Douf&aacute;m, \u017ee jim p\u0159inese trochu sebed\u016fv\u011bry a klidu v du&scaron;i. Mysl&iacute;m na tu prvomaminku, vystra&scaron;enou, a p\u0159itom tak stra&scaron;n\u011b silnou, zarputilou a odhodlanou d\u011blat v&scaron;echno stra&scaron;n\u011b moc spr&aacute;vn\u011b. Je to super\u017eena, ale velmi, velmi k\u0159ehk&aacute;. Pot\u0159ebuje oporu.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>L.M.:<\/strong> J&aacute; nem&aacute;m vzkaz, ale p\u0159&aacute;n&iacute;. P\u0159&aacute;la bych si, aby ka\u017ed&aacute; \u010dten&aacute;\u0159ka, kter&aacute; knihu otev\u0159e, v n&iacute; na&scaron;la to, co pr&aacute;v\u011b pot\u0159ebuje &ndash; sd&iacute;len&iacute;, podporu, pobaven&iacute;, inspiraci, pocit, \u017ee v tom nen&iacute; sama.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Text: Mark&eacute;ta Bolfov&aacute;<\/span><br \/> <span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Foto: Marie Van\u010durov&aacute;<\/span><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Protivn\u00fd sprost\u00fd matky, hovory o tom, jak\u00e9 je to b\u00fdt rodi\u010dem, jsou jedine\u010dn\u00fdm projektem \u010cesk\u00e9 televize, kter\u00fd nov\u011b vych\u00e1z\u00ed tak\u00e9 jako kniha. 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