{"id":331049,"date":"2023-05-30T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2023-05-29T22:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/nezarazene\/janos-zolcer-s-gorbacovem-jsme-navstivili-jeho-rodnou-ves-a-vsechna-dulezita-mista-jeho-zivota-procestovali-jsme-svet\/"},"modified":"2023-05-30T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2023-05-29T22:00:00","slug":"janos-zolcer-s-gorbacovem-jsme-navstivili-jeho-rodnou-ves-a-vsechna-dulezita-mista-jeho-zivota-procestovali-jsme-svet","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/rozhovor\/janos-zolcer-s-gorbacovem-jsme-navstivili-jeho-rodnou-ves-a-vsechna-dulezita-mista-jeho-zivota-procestovali-jsme-svet\/","title":{"rendered":"J\u00e1nos Zolcer: \u201eS Gorba\u010dovem jsme nav\u0161t\u00edvili jeho rodnou ves a v\u0161echna d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e1 m\u00edsta jeho \u017eivota, procestovali jsme sv\u011bt.\u201c"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Pov\u011bzte n&aacute;m n\u011bco o sob\u011b. Kdo je J&aacute;nos Zolcer?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Narodil jsem se v \u010ceskoslovensku, v roce 1986 jsem emigroval do N\u011bmecka a nyn&iacute; \u017eiji v Budape&scaron;ti. Moje report&aacute;\u017en&iacute; a dokument&aacute;rn&iacute; filmy byly vys&iacute;l&aacute;ny v televiz&iacute;ch &scaron;edes&aacute;ti zem&iacute; sv\u011bta. Moje prvn&iacute; kniha Tajemstv&iacute; Michaila Gorba\u010dova byla vyd&aacute;na v roce 2020 v ma\u010far&scaron;tin\u011b. Byla p\u0159elo\u017eena do angli\u010dtiny, n\u011bm\u010diny, sloven&scaron;tiny a nyn&iacute; vych&aacute;z&iacute; i v \u010desk&eacute;m p\u0159ekladu. Je mi 67 let a ani trochu se nenud&iacute;m, sp&iacute;&scaron; pracuji v&iacute;c ne\u017e kdy p\u0159edt&iacute;m. Mo\u017en&aacute; i proto o sob\u011b m\u016f\u017eu \u0159&iacute;ct, \u017ee jsem &scaron;\u0165astn&yacute; \u010dlov\u011bk.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Pro\u010d jste si jako t&eacute;ma sv&eacute; knihy vybral pr&aacute;v\u011b osobu jednoho z nejzn&aacute;m\u011bj&scaron;&iacute;ch sov\u011btsk&yacute;ch politik\u016f?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Krom\u011b n\u011bj nezn&aacute;m \u017e&aacute;dn&eacute;ho politika, kter&yacute; by zm\u011bnil sv\u011bt bez zbran&iacute; a pozitivn&iacute;m sm\u011brem. On takov&yacute; byl. Proto jsem o n\u011bm napsal knihu &ndash; proto\u017ee vykonal jedine\u010dn&yacute; \u010din ve prosp\u011bch cel&eacute;ho lidstva. <\/span><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Jak&yacute; jste m\u011bl vy s&aacute;m vztah s Michailem Gorba\u010dovem?&nbsp;Byli jste si bl&iacute;zc&iacute;?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Ano, od roku 2000 a\u017e do jeho smrti jsme byli velmi dob\u0159&iacute; p\u0159&aacute;tel&eacute;. Kdy\u017e jsme spolu cestovali a on m\u011b p\u0159edstavoval, v\u017edy \u0159ekl: &bdquo;J&aacute;nos, m\u016fj p\u0159&iacute;tel!&ldquo; Za\u010d&aacute;tkem roku 2000 jsem m\u011bl kancel&aacute;\u0159 televizn&iacute; produkce v Mnichov\u011b. Tehdy jsem Gorba\u010dova po\u017e&aacute;dal, aby byl report&eacute;rem p\u0159ipravovan&eacute; filmov&eacute; s&eacute;rie. Vzal to. Spolu jsme nav&scaron;t&iacute;vili v&yacute;znamn&eacute; sv\u011btov&eacute; politiky: George Bushe, Helmuta Kohla, Hans-Dietricha Genschera, Simona Perese&#8230; Ale nav&scaron;t&iacute;vil jsem i Fidela Castra, pape\u017ee Jana Pavla II., Lecha Walesu, V&aacute;clava Havla, J&aacute;sira Arafata, Nelsona Mandelu&#8230; S Gorba\u010dovem jsme nav&scaron;t&iacute;vili jeho rodnou ves a v&scaron;echna d\u016fle\u017eit&aacute; m&iacute;sta jeho \u017eivota, procestovali jsme sv\u011bt.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Vzpomenete si, kdy a kde jste se poprv&eacute; setkali?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Poprv&eacute; jsme se potkali v roce 2000 ve V&iacute;dni. Po\u017e&aacute;dal jsem b&yacute;val&eacute;ho n\u011bmeck&eacute;ho ministra zahrani\u010dn&iacute;ch v\u011bc&iacute; Hans-Dietricha Genschera,&nbsp;aby s n&iacute;m pro m\u011b zorganizoval setk&aacute;n&iacute;. Okam\u017eit\u011b to ud\u011blal. O m&eacute;m n&aacute;padu na film pov\u011bd\u011bl Gorba\u010dovovi, kter&yacute; hned \u0159ekl: &bdquo;Vezmi pap&iacute;r a tu\u017eku, zapi&scaron; si ot&aacute;zky!&ldquo; A u\u017e za\u010dal diktovat, kter&eacute;ho politika se bude na co pt&aacute;t. Nejd\u0159&iacute;v to byl pracovn&iacute; vztah, kter&yacute; se pozd\u011bji zm\u011bnil ve vztah p\u0159&aacute;telsk&yacute;. B\u011bhem 22 let jsme se potkali mnohokr&aacute;t.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Kniha Tajemstv&iacute; Michaila Gorba\u010dova je ozna\u010dena jako hybridn&iacute;. Co tento pojem p\u0159esn\u011b znamen&aacute;?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Hybridn&iacute; kniha znamen&aacute;, \u017ee krom\u011b textu jsou v n&iacute; i pozn&aacute;mky pod \u010darou (text, obr&aacute;zky, fotografie) a v&iacute;c ne\u017e stovka vide&iacute; p\u0159&iacute;stupn&yacute;ch p\u0159es QR k&oacute;dy. Tyto pozn&aacute;mky pod \u010darou p\u0159ibli\u017euj&iacute; &ndash; zejm&eacute;na mlad&yacute;m \u010dten&aacute;\u0159\u016fm &ndash; dobov&eacute; v&yacute;razy jako nap\u0159. Studen&aacute; v&aacute;lka nebo \u017delezn&aacute; opona, videa ukazuj&iacute; re&aacute;ln&yacute; \u017eivot v Sov\u011btsk&eacute;m svazu, nebo i Gorba\u010dova, kter&yacute; sv&eacute; \u017een\u011b zp&iacute;v&aacute; p&iacute;se\u0148 o l&aacute;sce.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>B\u011bhem pro\u010d&iacute;t&aacute;n&iacute; jsem narazila na spoustu zaj&iacute;mav&yacute;ch v&yacute;rok\u016f a citac&iacute;. Kter&yacute; z nich se v&aacute;m nejv&iacute;ce vryl do pam\u011bti? O kter&eacute;m si mysl&iacute;te, \u017ee Gorba\u010dova nejl&eacute;pe vystihuje?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">V&scaron;echny, ale m&aacute;m tu jeden p\u0159&iacute;klad. Gorba\u010dov byl zvolen&yacute; gener&aacute;ln&iacute;m tajemn&iacute;kem v b\u0159eznu 1985. Ve sv&eacute; d\u011bkovn&eacute; \u0159e\u010di \u0159ekl star&scaron;&iacute;mu \u010dlenovi politbyra: &bdquo;Sov\u011btsk&yacute; svaz m&aacute; jadern&eacute; rakety, ale v obchodech nejsou kalhotky! Jak je to mo\u017en&eacute;?&rdquo; Ale d&aacute; se to \u0159&iacute;ct jednodu&scaron;eji, konkr&eacute;tn\u011bji&hellip; Gorba\u010dov mi pov\u011bd\u011bl, \u017ee mnoz&iacute; star&scaron;&iacute; soudruzi pot&eacute;, co sly&scaron;eli v&yacute;&scaron;e uveden&eacute;, zdvihli hlavy a ura\u017een\u011b se na n\u011bj d&iacute;vali. Ve sv&eacute; knize popisuji mnoho, mnoho takov&yacute;ch p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh\u016f.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>V knize uv&aacute;d&iacute;te, \u017ee se jedn&aacute; o dokument&aacute;rn&iacute; poh&aacute;dku, kter&aacute; je ps&aacute;na pohledem p\u0159&iacute;tele. Jak&eacute; c&iacute;lov&eacute; skupin\u011b je ur\u010den&aacute;? Mysl&iacute;te, \u017ee \u017eivot a \u010diny Michaila Gorba\u010dova pochop&iacute; i dne&scaron;n&iacute; mlad&iacute; lid&eacute;?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">C&iacute;lov&aacute; skupina neexistuje. Svoje texty a filmy p&iacute;&scaron;u v\u017edy pro ka\u017ed&eacute;ho. V&scaron;echny svoje pr&aacute;ce obvykle p\u0159ipravuji tak, aby je pochopil &scaron;estn&aacute;ctilet&yacute; student, &bdquo;jednoduch&yacute;&ldquo; \u010dlov\u011bk i historik. Proto pou\u017e&iacute;v&aacute;m osv\u011bd\u010denou metodu: dokument&aacute;rn&iacute; vypr&aacute;v\u011bn&iacute;. Dokument&aacute;rn&iacute;, proto\u017ee p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhy jsou skute\u010dn&eacute;, pravdiv&eacute;, z prvn&iacute; ruky. Vypr&aacute;v\u011bn&iacute;, proto\u017ee takov&yacute; popis ud&aacute;lost&iacute; je dob\u0159e \u010diteln&yacute;, skoro poh&aacute;dkov&yacute;. Absolvoval jsem besedy na t&eacute;m\u011b\u0159 stovce st\u0159edn&iacute;ch &scaron;kol. Mlad&iacute; lid&eacute; jsou velmi otev\u0159en&iacute; historick&yacute;m t&eacute;mat\u016fm. Je pravda, \u017ee jim nevypr&aacute;v&iacute;m o velk&eacute;m politikovi Gorba\u010dovovi, ale vypr&aacute;v&iacute;m jim o tom, jak se chud&yacute; sedl&aacute;ck&yacute; chlapec M&iacute;&scaron;a stal kr&aacute;lem, v\u016fdcem nejv\u011bt&scaron;&iacute; sv\u011btov&eacute; velmoci. A je v\u017edy nejv&iacute;ce zaj&iacute;m&aacute; to, jak se pln&iacute; sny&hellip;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Skr&yacute;v&aacute; v sob\u011b Tajemstv&iacute; Michaila Gorba\u010dova i n\u011bjak&eacute; poselstv&iacute;? Nap\u0159&iacute;klad v souvislosti s v&aacute;lkou na Ukrajin\u011b?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Ano! Abychom pochopili, pro\u010d je dnes na Ukrajin\u011b v&aacute;lka, mus&iacute;me poznat minulost, zp\u016fsob my&scaron;len&iacute; rusk&yacute;ch car\u016f (gener&aacute;ln&iacute;ch tajemn&iacute;k\u016f) a mechanismus fungovan&iacute; Kremlu. Toto v&scaron;echno popisuji ve sv&eacute; knize. Tyto informace jsem ne\u010derpal z archivn&iacute;ch dokument\u016f nebo historick&yacute;ch knih, ale u\u010dil jsem se je na vlastn&iacute; k\u016f\u017ei od b&yacute;val&eacute;ho vl&aacute;dce Kremlu, Gorba\u010dova. Vlastn\u011b nejen od n\u011bj, proto\u017ee Gorba\u010dov m\u011b sezn&aacute;mil s mnoh&yacute;mi v&yacute;znamn&yacute;mi a zaj&iacute;mav&yacute;mi lidmi, kte\u0159&iacute; v pozad&iacute; byli i tv\u016frci historie. Proto publikaci doporu\u010duji ka\u017ed&eacute;mu. Pokud chcete pochopit my&scaron;len&iacute; Kremlu, Putina, d\u016fvod v&aacute;lky, p\u0159e\u010dt\u011bte si moji knihu. S hlubok&yacute;m pochopen&iacute;m minulosti vid&iacute;me sou\u010dasnost jinak.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Text: Mark&eacute;ta Bolfov&aacute;<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Foto: archiv J&aacute;nose Zolcera<\/span><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Novin\u00e1\u0159, televizn\u00ed producent, spisovatel a cestovatel J\u00e1nos Zolcer se pustil do nelehk\u00e9ho \u00fakolu. Vyl\u00ed\u010dit \u017eivot sov\u011btsk\u00e9ho st\u00e1tn\u00edka Michaila  Gorba\u010dova tak, aby nep\u016fsobil jako v\u011bdeck\u00fd spis, byl z\u00e1\u017eivn\u00fd a shrnoval jak d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e1 fakta, tak osobn\u00ed pocity \u010dlov\u011bka, kter\u00fd na vrcholu sv\u00e9 kari\u00e9ry st\u00e1l v \u010dele nejv\u011bt\u0161\u00ed zem\u011b sv\u011bta.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":331050,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_EventAllDay":false,"_EventTimezone":"","_EventStartDate":"","_EventEndDate":"","_EventStartDateUTC":"","_EventEndDateUTC":"","_EventShowMap":false,"_EventShowMapLink":false,"_EventURL":"","_EventCost":"","_EventCostDescription":"","_EventCurrencySymbol":"","_EventCurrencyCode":"","_EventCurrencyPosition":"","_EventDateTimeSeparator":"","_EventTimeRangeSeparator":"","_EventOrganizerID":[],"_EventVenueID":[],"_OrganizerEmail":"","_OrganizerPhone":"","_OrganizerWebsite":"","_VenueAddress":"","_VenueCity":"","_VenueCountry":"","_VenueProvince":"","_VenueState":"","_VenueZip":"","_VenuePhone":"","_VenueURL":"","_VenueStateProvince":"","_VenueLat":"","_VenueLng":"","_VenueShowMap":false,"_VenueShowMapLink":false,"twitterCardType":"","cardImageID":0,"cardImage":"","cardTitle":"","cardDesc":"","cardImageAlt":"","cardPlayer":"","cardPlayerWidth":0,"cardPlayerHeight":0,"cardPlayerStream":"","cardPlayerCodec":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[21848],"class_list":["post-331049","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-rozhovor","tag-revue"],"acf":{"related_products":null},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/331049","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=331049"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/331049\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/331050"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=331049"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=331049"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=331049"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}