{"id":330727,"date":"2022-09-19T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2022-09-18T22:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/nezarazene\/mika-waltari-ocima-sveho-vnuka\/"},"modified":"2022-09-19T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2022-09-18T22:00:00","slug":"mika-waltari-ocima-sveho-vnuka","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/rozhovor\/mika-waltari-ocima-sveho-vnuka\/","title":{"rendered":"Mika Waltari o\u010dima sv\u00e9ho vnuka"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Se Satu jsme se sp\u0159&aacute;telily, pojala ke mn\u011b d\u016fv\u011bru a \u0159ekla mi mnoho v\u011bc&iacute; ze \u017eivota sv&eacute;ho slavn&eacute;ho otce, kter&eacute; bych jinde nena&scaron;la. Uk&aacute;zala mi i slavn&yacute; Waltariho byt v Tunturikatu (co\u017e doslova znamen&aacute; ulice laponsk&yacute;ch hor). Pr&aacute;v\u011b tam jsem se sezn&aacute;mila i s jej&iacute;m synem a Waltariho vnukem, divadeln&iacute;kem a spisovatelem Joelem Elstel&auml;. Jsme skoro stejn\u011b sta\u0159&iacute;, ale nejenom proto si v rozhovoru tyk&aacute;me &#8211; ve Finsku je tyk&aacute;n&iacute; i mezi nezn&aacute;m&yacute;mi lidmi mnohem b\u011b\u017en\u011bj&scaron;&iacute; ne\u017e u n&aacute;s.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Tr&aacute;vils v d\u011btstv&iacute; hodn\u011b \u010dasu se sv&yacute;m slavn&yacute;m&nbsp;d\u011bde\u010dkem Mikou Waltarim?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">V d\u011btstv&iacute; jsem s prarodi\u010di b&yacute;val o letn&iacute;ch pr&aacute;zdnin&aacute;ch na venkov\u011b, a jako teenager jsem k nim \u010dasto chodil i v zim\u011b. Asi dvakr&aacute;t t&yacute;dn\u011b jsem rovnou ze &scaron;koly chodil do jejich bytu v Tunturikatu. Mika se ale v\u011bt&scaron;inou projevoval jako hodn\u011b introvertn&iacute; \u010dlov\u011bk, byl uzav\u0159en&yacute; a m\u011bl r&aacute;d sv\u016fj klid a samotu. Mnohem v&iacute;c \u010dasu jsem tr&aacute;vil se svou babi\u010dkou Marjattou Waltariovou. V d\u011btstv&iacute; se mnou chodila na koncerty a do divadla, \u010d&iacute;m\u017e m\u011b do ur\u010dit&eacute; m&iacute;ry vychov&aacute;vala, kdy\u017e se moji rodi\u010de v\u011bnovali sv&eacute; pr&aacute;ci.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u010cetls knihy Miky Waltariho, mluvili jste o nich spolu?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Asi ve t\u0159in&aacute;cti jsem cel&eacute; jedno l&eacute;to \u010detl detektivky, v nich\u017e vystupuje komisa\u0159 Palmu. \u0158ekl jsem Mikovi, \u017ee jsem je \u010detl a \u017ee se mi nejv&iacute;c l&iacute;bil Omyl komisa\u0159e Palmua (\u010desky vy&scaron;lo dvakr&aacute;t, poprv&eacute; u\u017e v roce 1946 pod n&aacute;zvem Z&aacute;hada Rygseck\u016f). Mika se tv&aacute;\u0159il pot\u011b&scaron;en\u011b, ale nijak dlouze jsme o tom nemluvili. Pozd\u011bji jsem \u010detl Sinuheta a rom&aacute;ny o Finu Mikaelovi, kter&eacute; \u010desky vych&aacute;zej&iacute; pod n&aacute;zvy Krvav&aacute; l&aacute;ze\u0148 a &Scaron;\u0165astn&aacute; hv\u011bzda, ale ani o nich jsme s Mikou nemluvili. Z d\u011btstv&iacute; mi z\u016fstal dojem, \u017ee Mika o sv&yacute;ch knih&aacute;ch nijak zvl&aacute;&scaron;\u0165 r&aacute;d nemluvil. Ale j&aacute; jsem byl tehdy v podstat\u011b je&scaron;t\u011b d&iacute;t\u011b, mlad&yacute; kluk, a asi bych mu nic objevn&eacute;ho o jeho knih&aacute;ch ani \u0159&iacute;ct nedok&aacute;zal.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u010cetl Mika Waltari tvoje texty, radil ti v psan&iacute;?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">\u010cetl n\u011bkolik m&yacute;ch r&yacute;movan&yacute;ch b&aacute;sn&iacute;, kter&eacute; jsem napsal od \u010dtrn&aacute;cti do &scaron;estn&aacute;cti let, a pokud si vzpom&iacute;n&aacute;m, nijak zvl&aacute;&scaron;\u0165 p\u0159&iacute;sn&eacute; kritice je nepodrobil. Mika byl laskav&yacute; \u010dlov\u011bk.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Jak&eacute; sv&eacute; d&iacute;lo m\u011bl Mika Waltari nejrad&scaron;i? A kter&eacute;ho jeho d&iacute;la si nejv&iacute;c cen&iacute;&scaron; ty?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">M\u011bl velmi r&aacute;d oba rom&aacute;ny Mikaely (finsky se Krvav&aacute; l&aacute;ze\u0148 jmenuje podle hlavn&iacute;ho hrdiny Mikael Karvajalka, tedy doslova Mikael Chlupono\u017eec, a druh&yacute; d&iacute;l &Scaron;\u0165astn&aacute; hv\u011bzda Mikael Hakim, nebo\u0165 v n&iacute; hlavn&iacute; hrdina p\u0159estoup&iacute; na isl&aacute;m a p\u016fsob&iacute; jako l&eacute;ka\u0159, arabsky hakim, a rom&aacute;n\u016fm se tedy \u0159&iacute;k&aacute; Mikaelov&eacute;, Mikaelit). Pozd\u011bji jsem n\u011bkde \u010detl, \u017ee za sv\u016fj z liter&aacute;rn&iacute;ho hlediska nejpoveden\u011bj&scaron;&iacute; rom&aacute;n pova\u017eoval P&aacute;d Ca\u0159ihradu, i kdy\u017e ten psal vlastn\u011b nadvakr&aacute;t (prvn&iacute;, nedokon\u010den&aacute; verze vy&scaron;la \u010desky pod n&aacute;zvem Temn&yacute; and\u011bl). Z&iacute;skal jsem tak&eacute; dojem, \u017ee si hodn\u011b cenil n\u011bkter&yacute;ch sv&yacute;ch novel a tzv. mal&yacute;ch rom&aacute;n\u016f, ale kter&yacute;ch nejv&iacute;c, to si u\u017e nepamatuji. J&aacute; s&aacute;m m&aacute;m moc r&aacute;d kn&iacute;\u017eku \u010cty\u0159i z&aacute;pady slunce a velk&yacute; dojem na m\u011b sv&eacute;ho \u010dasu ud\u011blal historick&yacute; rom&aacute;n Nep\u0159&aacute;tel&eacute; lidstva.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Po slavn&eacute;m d\u011bde\u010dkovi jsi zd\u011bdil nejen liter&aacute;rn&iacute; talent, ale zjevn\u011b i l&aacute;sku ke ps\u016fm. M&aacute;&scaron; stejn&eacute;ho psa, jak&eacute;ho m\u011bl Mika Waltari?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Mika m\u011bl dva psy. Prvn&iacute; byl skotsk&yacute; teri&eacute;r jm&eacute;nem Tiuku (\u010desky to znamen&aacute; zvone\u010dek) a druh&yacute; hladkosrst&yacute; jezev\u010d&iacute;k, ten se jmenoval Petteri. A my v na&scaron;&iacute; rodin\u011b m&aacute;me hrubosrst&eacute;ho jezev\u010d&iacute;ka Borise. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Ned&aacute;vno jsi vydal skv\u011bl&yacute; rom&aacute;n N&aacute;lada cirkusov&eacute;ho lva (Sirkusleijonan mieli). Odehr&aacute;v&aacute; se v N\u011bmecku v dob\u011b n&aacute;stupu nacismu a byl nominov&aacute;n na nejv&yacute;znamn\u011bj&scaron;&iacute; finskou liter&aacute;rn&iacute; cenu Finlandia. P\u0159em&yacute;&scaron;lel jsi p\u0159i psan&iacute; o tom, co by rom&aacute;nu \u0159&iacute;kal tv\u016fj slavn&yacute; d\u011bde\u010dek?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Mysl&iacute;m, \u017ee p\u0159i psan&iacute; jsem o Mikovi a jeho hodnocen&iacute; nijak zvl&aacute;&scaron;\u0165 nep\u0159em&yacute;&scaron;lel, i kdy\u017e jsem se sna\u017eil vyhnout tomu, abych psal jako on, necht\u011bl jsem kop&iacute;rovat jeho styl. Mikovy v\u011bty jsou pro n\u011bj charakteristick&eacute;, v&yacute;razn&eacute;, ale tak&eacute; hodn\u011b slo\u017eit&eacute; a je mimo\u0159&aacute;dn\u011b obt&iacute;\u017en&eacute; napsat je stejn\u011b mistrovsky jako on. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Jako p\u0159ekladatelka m\u016f\u017eu potvrdit, \u017ee p\u0159elo\u017eit Waltariho dlouh&eacute; v\u011bty do \u010de&scaron;tiny nebo do jak&eacute;hokoli jin&eacute;ho jazyka je skoro nemo\u017en&eacute;!&nbsp;Ale chci se zeptat na n\u011bco jin&eacute;ho. Jsi vnuk&nbsp;<\/strong><strong>slavn&eacute;ho Miky Waltariho, syn jeho dcery Satu. Je to pro tebe ve finsk&eacute;m kulturn&iacute;m \u017eivot\u011b v&yacute;hoda, nebo sp&iacute;&scaron; naopak?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">To p\u0159&iacute;buzenstv&iacute; vn&iacute;m&aacute;m sp&iacute;&scaron; jako z&aacute;t\u011b\u017e. V liter&aacute;rn&iacute; pr&aacute;ci to znamenalo, \u017ee jsem dlouho v&aacute;hal, ne\u017e jsem nab&iacute;dl text nakladateli k vyd&aacute;n&iacute;, m\u016fj d\u011bda nasadil la\u0165ku p\u0159&iacute;li&scaron; vysoko. V divadeln&iacute;m sv\u011bt\u011b mi to p\u0159&iacute;buzenstv&iacute; zase vyneslo nejeden &scaron;kodolib&yacute; koment&aacute;\u0159 a bodnut&iacute; do zad &#8211; pochopiteln\u011b v p\u0159enesen&eacute;m smyslu. Lid&eacute; b&yacute;vaj&iacute; z&aacute;vistiv&iacute; a krut&iacute;, zvl&aacute;&scaron;\u0165 pokud se pohybuj&iacute; v tzv. kulturn&iacute;ch kruz&iacute;ch.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Co by Mika Waltari \u0159&iacute;kal na to, \u017ee Finsko vstupuje do NATO? Byl by spokojen&yacute;? A jak se na to d&iacute;v&aacute;&scaron; ty? Ta ot&aacute;zka je od literatury&nbsp;<\/strong><strong>hodn\u011b vzd&aacute;len&aacute;, ale pro n&aacute;s \u010cechy byl vstup&nbsp;<\/strong><strong>do NATO v roce 1999 velice d\u016fle\u017eit&yacute;, mnoz&iacute;&nbsp;<\/strong><strong>jsme ho vn&iacute;mali jako potvrzen&iacute;, \u017ee komunismus&nbsp;<\/strong><strong>definitivn\u011b skon\u010dil a za\u010d&iacute;n&aacute; nov&aacute; doba.&nbsp;<\/strong><strong>Mysl&iacute;m, \u017ee i pro Finsko je to d\u016fle\u017eit&yacute; mezn&iacute;k,&nbsp;<\/strong><strong>mo\u017en&aacute; je&scaron;t\u011b d\u016fle\u017eit\u011bj&scaron;&iacute;, ne\u017e byl vstup do EU:&nbsp;<\/strong><strong>definitivn&iacute; konec tzv. finlandizace, tedy doby,&nbsp;<\/strong><strong>kdy Finsko zejm&eacute;na v zahrani\u010dn&iacute; politice bralo&nbsp;<\/strong><strong>ohled na z&aacute;jmy sv&eacute;ho velk&eacute;ho v&yacute;chodn&iacute;ho&nbsp;<\/strong><strong>souseda &#8211; v&yacute;chodn&iacute;ho medv\u011bda, jak se ve&nbsp;<\/strong><strong>Finsku \u0159&iacute;k&aacute;.<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Na ot&aacute;zku, co by Mika \u0159&iacute;kal na vstup Finska do NATO, bohu\u017eel nedovedu odpov\u011bd\u011bt. V\u017edycky jsem \u017eil v p\u0159edstav\u011b, \u017ee m\u016fj d\u011bde\u010dek byl velmi nepolitick&yacute; \u010dlov\u011bk. J&aacute; s&aacute;m jsem k jasn&eacute;mu stanovisku ke vstupu Finska do NATO je&scaron;t\u011b nedosp\u011bl. Celou tu situaci a v\u016fbec dne&scaron;n&iacute; dobu vn&iacute;m&aacute;m jako spletitou a zmatenou.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Co t\u011b napadne jako prvn&iacute;, kdy\u017e se \u0159ekne \u010cesko?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">N&aacute;dhern&aacute; Praha.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Jsi mu\u017e n\u011bkolika profes&iacute;. \u010c&iacute;m se c&iacute;t&iacute;&scaron; b&yacute;t nejv&iacute;c? Divadeln&iacute;m re\u017eis&eacute;rem, dramatikem, nebo spisovatelem?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">M&yacute;m osudem asi je, \u017ee se nedok&aacute;\u017eu pln\u011b ztoto\u017enit ani s jednou z t\u011bch t\u0159&iacute; profes&iacute;, kter&eacute; zmi\u0148uje&scaron;. V divadeln&iacute;m sv\u011bt\u011b m\u011b jako re\u017eis&eacute;ra nikdy nebrali &uacute;pln\u011b v&aacute;\u017en\u011b pr&aacute;v\u011b proto, \u017ee jsem vnuk slavn&eacute;ho spisovatele. A liter&aacute;rn&iacute; kruhy m\u011b zase nepova\u017euj&iacute; tak &uacute;pln\u011b za spisovatele, proto\u017ee cel&yacute; \u017eivot p\u016fsob&iacute;m v divadle, m\u016fj otec Esko Elstel&auml; byl divadeln&iacute; re\u017eis&eacute;r a jeho otec, m\u016fj druh&yacute; d\u011bde\u010dek Ossi Elstel&auml;, re\u017e&iacute;roval filmy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Text: Mark&eacute;ta Hejkalov&aacute;<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"> Foto: Veikko Somerpuro<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dceru Miky Waltariho Satu Elstel\u00e4ovou jsem poznala v roce 2001, kdy\u017e jsem p\u0159ekl\u00e1dala velk\u00e9 historick\u00e9 rom\u00e1ny Krvav\u00e1 l\u00e1ze\u0148 a \u0160\u0165astn\u00e1 hv\u011bzda. Znovu jsme se setkaly v roce 2006, kdy jsem ve Finsku sb\u00edrala materi\u00e1ly pro Waltariho \u017eivotopis, kter\u00fd vy\u0161el v roce<br \/>\n2007 pod n\u00e1zvem Fin Mika Waltari &#8211; Doba, \u017eivot a knihy sv\u011btozn\u00e1m\u00e9ho spisovatele a byl to celosv\u011btov\u011b prvn\u00ed Waltariho \u017eivotopis.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":330728,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_EventAllDay":false,"_EventTimezone":"","_EventStartDate":"","_EventEndDate":"","_EventStartDateUTC":"","_EventEndDateUTC":"","_EventShowMap":false,"_EventShowMapLink":false,"_EventURL":"","_EventCost":"","_EventCostDescription":"","_EventCurrencySymbol":"","_EventCurrencyCode":"","_EventCurrencyPosition":"","_EventDateTimeSeparator":"","_EventTimeRangeSeparator":"","_EventOrganizerID":[],"_EventVenueID":[],"_OrganizerEmail":"","_OrganizerPhone":"","_OrganizerWebsite":"","_VenueAddress":"","_VenueCity":"","_VenueCountry":"","_VenueProvince":"","_VenueState":"","_VenueZip":"","_VenuePhone":"","_VenueURL":"","_VenueStateProvince":"","_VenueLat":"","_VenueLng":"","_VenueShowMap":false,"_VenueShowMapLink":false,"twitterCardType":"","cardImageID":0,"cardImage":"","cardTitle":"","cardDesc":"","cardImageAlt":"","cardPlayer":"","cardPlayerWidth":0,"cardPlayerHeight":0,"cardPlayerStream":"","cardPlayerCodec":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[21848],"class_list":["post-330727","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-rozhovor","tag-revue"],"acf":{"related_products":null},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/330727","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=330727"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/330727\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/330728"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=330727"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=330727"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=330727"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}