{"id":330579,"date":"2022-05-19T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2022-05-18T22:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/nezarazene\/katerina-tuckova-hledani-tvaru-bile-vody-nebylo-jednoduche-byl-to-bolestny-proces\/"},"modified":"2022-05-19T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2022-05-18T22:00:00","slug":"katerina-tuckova-hledani-tvaru-bile-vody-nebylo-jednoduche-byl-to-bolestny-proces","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/rozhovor\/katerina-tuckova-hledani-tvaru-bile-vody-nebylo-jednoduche-byl-to-bolestny-proces\/","title":{"rendered":"Kate\u0159ina Tu\u010dkov\u00e1: \u201eHled\u00e1n\u00ed tvaru B\u00edl\u00e9 Vody nebylo jednoduch\u00e9, byl to bolestn\u00fd proces.\u201c"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>B&iacute;l&aacute; Voda vznikala deset let, to je pom\u011brn\u011b dlouh&aacute; doba. M\u016f\u017eete n&aacute;m shrnout cel&yacute; proces psan&iacute; od prvn&iacute; kapitoly a\u017e po odesl&aacute;n&iacute; nakladateli?<\/strong><br \/>Ta kniha vznikala dlouh&yacute;ch deset let proto, \u017ee jsem ji psala nat\u0159ikr&aacute;t. Prvn&iacute; dva pokusy nevy&scaron;ly, proto\u017ee jsem zvolila &scaron;patnou vyprav\u011b\u010dskou perspektivu. Teprve ve t\u0159et&iacute; verzi, kdy se vyprav\u011b\u010di p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhu sestry Evaristy stali lid&eacute; z jej&iacute;ho okol&iacute;, se poda\u0159ilo cel&eacute; to &scaron;irok&eacute; t&eacute;ma persekuce \u0159eholnic za minul&eacute;ho re\u017eimu pokr&yacute;t. Hled&aacute;n&iacute; tvaru t&eacute;to knihy nebylo jednoduch&eacute;, byl to bolestn&yacute; proces, ale i tak mi d&aacute;val smysl. Nicm&eacute;n\u011b c&iacute;tila jsem opravdu velkou &uacute;levu, kdy\u017e jsem loni v kv\u011btnu rukopis kone\u010dn\u011b poslala do nakladatelstv&iacute;. &Uacute;pravy, kter&eacute; nakonec trvaly skoro t\u0159i\u010dtvrt\u011b roku, byly pak u\u017e p\u0159edev&scaron;&iacute;m radost.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rom&aacute;n \u010d&iacute;t&aacute; t&eacute;m\u011b\u0159 700 stran. Takto obs&aacute;hl&aacute; nebyla \u017e&aacute;dn&aacute; z va&scaron;ich p\u0159ede&scaron;l&yacute;ch knih. M\u011bla jste tento rozsah v pl&aacute;nu u\u017e od po\u010d&aacute;tku?<\/strong><br \/>To rozhodn\u011b ne. Popravd\u011b jsem nad rozsahem nijak nep\u0159em&yacute;&scaron;lela, psala jsem voln\u011b, p\u0159i\u010dem\u017e p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh si s&aacute;m \u0159ekl, kolik prostoru pot\u0159ebuje.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Pro\u010d jste si zvolila pr&aacute;v\u011b t&eacute;ma pron&aacute;sledovan&yacute;ch \u0159eholnic z 50. let?<\/strong><br \/>Na sam&eacute;m za\u010d&aacute;tku byl &uacute;div, \u017ee se tak m&aacute;lo v&iacute; o persekuci \u0159eholnic za minul&eacute;ho re\u017eimu. P\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhy v\u011bzn\u011bn&yacute;ch biskup\u016f a kn\u011b\u017e&iacute; jsou v&scaron;eobecn\u011b zn&aacute;m&eacute;, ale o tom, co v souvislosti s Akc&iacute; \u0158 pro\u017e&iacute;valy jejich duchovn&iacute; sestry, se zas tak moc nemluv&iacute;. P\u0159ipadalo mi to nespravedliv&eacute;, tak\u017ee jsem se t&iacute;m t&eacute;matem za\u010dala zab&yacute;vat hloub\u011bji. Kdy\u017e jsem pak nav&scaron;t&iacute;vila h\u0159bitov v B&iacute;l&eacute; Vod\u011b, kde byly b\u011bhem p\u016fl stolet&iacute; internace poh\u0159b&iacute;v&aacute;ny \u0159eholnice, kter&eacute; v tamn&iacute;m kl&aacute;&scaron;te\u0159e do\u017eily, bylo rozhodnuto. To m&iacute;sto na m\u011b zap\u016fsobilo tak siln\u011b, \u017ee jsem se k n\u011bmu v my&scaron;lenk&aacute;ch vracela celou dobu, co jsem na knize pracovala.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hlavn&iacute; hrdinkou B&iacute;l&eacute; Vody je \u0159&aacute;dov&aacute; sestra Evarista. Jak&aacute; je a jak&yacute; osud ji potkal?<\/strong><br \/>P\u0159edn\u011b velmi state\u010dn&aacute;, proto\u017ee ve chv&iacute;l&iacute;ch nouze hled&aacute; cestu i tam, kde p\u0159edt&iacute;m \u017e&aacute;dn&aacute; neexistovala. A s takovou si raz&iacute; sm\u011br druhou p\u016fli 20. stolet&iacute;, kdy ji komunistick&yacute; re\u017eim nejprve v r&aacute;mci Akce \u0158 internoval v pohrani\u010dn&iacute;m kl&aacute;&scaron;te\u0159e, pot&eacute; v\u011bznil, aby ji nakonec ztratil z dohledu v z&aacute;krutech tajn&eacute; podzemn&iacute; c&iacute;rkve, kde p\u0159ijala kn\u011b\u017esk&eacute; sv\u011bcen&iacute;.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dok&aacute;\u017eete si p\u0159edstavit, \u017ee byste byla na jej&iacute;m m&iacute;st\u011b vy sama? Zachovala byste se stejn\u011b,nebo byste u\u010dinila jin&aacute; rozhodnut&iacute;?<\/strong><br \/>To neum&iacute;m \u0159&iacute;ct. \u010clov\u011bk nen&iacute; schopen odhadnout, jak by se zachoval v krizov&yacute;ch podm&iacute;nk&aacute;ch, dokud se v nich neocitne. Ale samoz\u0159ejm\u011b jsem do Evaristina p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhu vepsala i svou p\u0159edstavu o mravnosti, z n&iacute;\u017e tato postava ani navzdory okolnostem neslev&iacute;.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jak je mo\u017en&eacute;, \u017ee ob\u011bti maj&iacute; r&aacute;dy sv&eacute; n&aacute;siln&iacute;ky?<\/strong>&nbsp;T<strong>o je ot&aacute;zka, kterou jste si kladla kdysi polo\u017eila v jednom rozhovoru. Najdeme v B&iacute;l&eacute; Vod\u011b na tuto ot&aacute;zku odpov\u011b\u010f?<\/strong><br \/>Ne, to nenajdete. Tento rom&aacute;n je naopak o letit&eacute;m z&aacute;pasu s lidskou krutost&iacute;, z&aacute;&scaron;t&iacute; a nep\u0159ej&iacute;cnost&iacute;.A o tom, co to znamen&aacute;, v takov&eacute;m z&aacute;pasu vytrvat. <\/p>\n<p><strong>P\u0159i psan&iacute; jste vych&aacute;zela ze skute\u010dn&yacute;ch ud&aacute;lost&iacute;. Jakou m\u011brou jsou v knize zastoupeny a nakolik se jedn&aacute; o fikci?<\/strong><br \/>To asi nelze jednodu&scaron;e vypo\u010d&iacute;tat. V\u011bt&scaron;ina postav, kter&eacute; knihou proch&aacute;zej&iacute;, m&aacute; sv&eacute; skute\u010dn&eacute; p\u0159edobrazy, ale v \u017e&aacute;dn&eacute;m z p\u0159&iacute;pad\u016f nejde o \u010distou biografii. Inspiraci jsem v&scaron;ak neskr&yacute;vala &ndash; nap\u0159&iacute;klad v postav\u011b kn\u011bze a ministra zdravotnictv&iacute; Leopolda Plojhara lze lehce identifikovat neblaze proslul&eacute;ho ministra komunistick&eacute; vl&aacute;dy Josefa Plojhara, v postav\u011b tajn&eacute;ho biskupa Daniela Felixe zase legend&aacute;rn&iacute;ho&nbsp;biskupa moravsk&eacute; podzemn&iacute; c&iacute;rkve Felixe Maria Dav&iacute;dka. A tak je to i s ostatn&iacute;mi hrdiny a hrdinkami knihy.<\/p>\n<p><strong>P\u0159i sb\u011bru materi&aacute;l\u016f jste pob&yacute;vala dokonce i v kl&aacute;&scaron;te\u0159e. Co v&aacute;m tento pobyt dal? Do&scaron;lo u v&aacute;s k n\u011bjak&eacute;mu duchovn&iacute;mu posunu?<\/strong><br \/>P\u0159edev&scaron;&iacute;m jsem mohla zakusit, jak takov&yacute; \u0159eholn&iacute; \u017eivot vypad&aacute;. Takov&aacute; zku&scaron;enost ne&scaron;la vy\u010d&iacute;st z archivn&iacute;ch materi&aacute;l\u016f, ta se musela pro\u017e&iacute;t. Teprve s touto zku&scaron;enost&iacute; mi tak&eacute; do&scaron;lo, jak omezuj&iacute;c&iacute; byla internace pro \u0159eholn&iacute; \u0159&aacute;dy &ndash; ka\u017ed&yacute; z nich m\u011bl jin&eacute; regule, jin&yacute; zp\u016fsob \u017eivota, jin&eacute; posl&aacute;n&iacute; ve sv\u011bt\u011b. Komunist&eacute; internovan&yacute;m \u0159eholnic&iacute;m tedy nevzali &bdquo;jen&ldquo; svobodu, majetek, nezni\u010dili jim vyhn&aacute;n&iacute;m z p\u016fsobi&scaron;\u0165 vztahy s m&iacute;stn&iacute;mi lidmi, ale omezili je i na osobn&iacute; duchovn&iacute; cest\u011b. A co se t&yacute;\u010de m&eacute;ho vlastn&iacute;ho duchovn&iacute;ho hled&aacute;n&iacute;, tak to samoz\u0159ejm\u011b za t\u011bch deset let, co jsem knihu psala, pro&scaron;lo v&yacute;znamn&yacute;mi peripetiemi.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kter&eacute; inspira\u010dn&iacute; zdroje byly kl&iacute;\u010dov&eacute;?<\/strong><br \/>Tentokr&aacute;t p\u0159edev&scaron;&iacute;m materi&aacute;ly, kter&eacute; jsem na&scaron;la v archivech, jako nap\u0159&iacute;klad hl&aacute;&scaron;en&iacute; okresn&iacute;ch c&iacute;rkevn&iacute;ch tajemn&iacute;k\u016f, kte\u0159&iacute; dozorovali chod interna\u010dn&iacute;ch kl&aacute;&scaron;ter\u016f. A pak tak&eacute; r\u016fzn&eacute; memo&aacute;ry a studie, nejv&iacute;ce snad kniha Vojt\u011bcha Vl\u010dka (ed.) \u017densk&eacute; \u0159ehole za komunismu 1948&ndash;1989 nebo monografie Petra Fialy a Ji\u0159&iacute;ho Hanu&scaron;e Skryt&aacute; c&iacute;rkev. Felix M. Dav&iacute;dek a spole\u010denstv&iacute; Koin&oacute;t&eacute;s.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Pro sv&eacute; knihy si vyb&iacute;r&aacute;te pom\u011brn\u011b t\u011b\u017ek&aacute; t&eacute;mata. Nel&aacute;kalo v&aacute;s n\u011bkdy napsat n\u011bco odleh\u010den&eacute;ho, co nevy\u017eaduje tolik &uacute;sil&iacute;?<\/strong><br \/>I takov&eacute; texty jsem u\u017e napsala &ndash; v\u011bt&scaron;inou jde o krat&scaron;&iacute; &uacute;tvary, t\u0159eba pov&iacute;dky pro r\u016fzn&eacute; sborn&iacute;ky, ve kter&yacute;ch je prostor rozvinout jen jeden n&aacute;m\u011bt. A m&aacute;te pravdu, \u017ee p\u0159i takov&eacute;m psan&iacute; vlastn\u011b odpo\u010d&iacute;v&aacute;m.<\/p>\n<p><strong>A co m&aacute;te v pl&aacute;nu na poli liter&aacute;rn&iacute;m do budoucna? D&aacute;te si te\u010f pauzu, nebo u\u017e m&aacute;te v hlav\u011b n&aacute;m\u011bt na dal&scaron;&iacute; knihu?<\/strong><br \/>N&aacute;m\u011bt na dal&scaron;&iacute; rom&aacute;n m&aacute;m u\u017e dlouho, ale nejprve mus&iacute;m po\u010dkat, a\u017e se mi trochu pro\u010dist&iacute; my&scaron;lenky a z&iacute;sk&aacute;m odstup od postav objevuj&iacute;c&iacute;ch se v B&iacute;l&eacute; Vod\u011b. Nerada bych, aby se mi v dal&scaron;&iacute; knize objevily stejn&eacute; charaktery, s jak&yacute;mi jsem \u017eila posledn&iacute;ch deset let. N\u011bjak&yacute; \u010das se te\u010f tedy mus&iacute;m v\u011bnovat n\u011b\u010demu &uacute;pln\u011b jin&eacute;mu ne\u017e psan&iacute;. V l&eacute;t\u011b proto pl&aacute;nuji hlavn\u011b chodit do p\u0159&iacute;rody a p\u0159e\u010d&iacute;st stoh knih, kter&eacute; jsem si v minul&yacute;ch letech odlo\u017eila na potom &ndash; na chv&iacute;li, a\u017e nebudu muset \u010d&iacute;st svou vlastn&iacute; knihu.<\/p>\n<p>Text: Kate\u0159ina \u017d&iacute;dkov&aacute;<br \/> Foto: David Kone\u010dn&yacute;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dlouh\u00e9 roky vznikal nov\u00fd rom\u00e1n, jeho\u017e \u00fast\u0159edn\u00edm t\u00e9matem je \u017eivot \u0159eholnic v obdob\u00ed 50. let 20. stolet\u00ed, kdy u n\u00e1s vl\u00e1dl komunismus. B\u00edl\u00e1 Voda stejn\u011b jako p\u0159edchoz\u00ed knihy brn\u011bnsk\u00e9 spisovatelky Kate\u0159iny Tu\u010dkov\u00e9 p\u0159in\u00e1\u0161\u00ed op\u011bt siln\u00e9 \u017eensk\u00e9 hrdinky, kter\u00e9 musely \u010delit nep\u0159\u00edzniv\u00e9mu osudu. Rom\u00e1n je inspirov\u00e1n skute\u010dn\u00fdmi ud\u00e1lostmi, po nich\u017e<br \/>\nautorka \u0159adu let p\u00e1trala v archivech a mezi pam\u011btn\u00edky.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":330580,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_EventAllDay":false,"_EventTimezone":"","_EventStartDate":"","_EventEndDate":"","_EventStartDateUTC":"","_EventEndDateUTC":"","_EventShowMap":false,"_EventShowMapLink":false,"_EventURL":"","_EventCost":"","_EventCostDescription":"","_EventCurrencySymbol":"","_EventCurrencyCode":"","_EventCurrencyPosition":"","_EventDateTimeSeparator":"","_EventTimeRangeSeparator":"","_EventOrganizerID":[],"_EventVenueID":[],"_OrganizerEmail":"","_OrganizerPhone":"","_OrganizerWebsite":"","_VenueAddress":"","_VenueCity":"","_VenueCountry":"","_VenueProvince":"","_VenueState":"","_VenueZip":"","_VenuePhone":"","_VenueURL":"","_VenueStateProvince":"","_VenueLat":"","_VenueLng":"","_VenueShowMap":false,"_VenueShowMapLink":false,"twitterCardType":"","cardImageID":0,"cardImage":"","cardTitle":"","cardDesc":"","cardImageAlt":"","cardPlayer":"","cardPlayerWidth":0,"cardPlayerHeight":0,"cardPlayerStream":"","cardPlayerCodec":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[21848],"class_list":["post-330579","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-rozhovor","tag-revue"],"acf":{"related_products":null},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/330579","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=330579"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/330579\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/330580"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=330579"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=330579"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=330579"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}