{"id":330559,"date":"2022-05-16T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2022-05-15T22:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/nezarazene\/karin-lednicka-snazim-se-dat-hlas-lidem-tohoto-regionu-kteri-az-prilis-dlouho-nebyli-slyset\/"},"modified":"2022-05-16T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2022-05-15T22:00:00","slug":"karin-lednicka-snazim-se-dat-hlas-lidem-tohoto-regionu-kteri-az-prilis-dlouho-nebyli-slyset","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/rozhovor\/karin-lednicka-snazim-se-dat-hlas-lidem-tohoto-regionu-kteri-az-prilis-dlouho-nebyli-slyset\/","title":{"rendered":"Karin Lednick\u00e1: \u201eSna\u017e\u00edm se d\u00e1t hlas lidem tohoto regionu, kte\u0159\u00ed a\u017e p\u0159\u00edli\u0161 dlouho nebyli sly\u0161et.\u201c"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Pro\u010d jste se u \u017divotic rozhodla zvolit jinou liter&aacute;rn&iacute; formu ne\u017e u &Scaron;ikm&eacute;ho kostela, kter&yacute; je zpracov&aacute;n \u010dist\u011b beletristicky?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Proto\u017ee jsem o ud&aacute;lostech v \u017divotic&iacute;ch cht\u011bla \u0159&iacute;ct co nejv&iacute;ce, a tolik informac&iacute; by rom&aacute;n nevst\u0159ebal. Anebo vst\u0159ebal, ale m\u011bl by pak p\u0159es tis&iacute;c stran. A j&aacute; jsem cht\u011bla do knihy zahrnout v&scaron;echno, co se mi poda\u0159ilo zjistit. Proto ta dokument&aacute;rn&iacute; forma.&nbsp;Z&aacute;rove\u0148 ale pracuji se zbeletrizovan&yacute;mi v&yacute;pov\u011b\u010fmi o\u010dit&yacute;ch sv\u011bdk\u016f &ndash; to v&scaron;ak v \u017e&aacute;dn&eacute;m p\u0159&iacute;pad\u011b neznamen&aacute;, \u017ee jsou vyfabulovan&eacute;. Naopak, je to doslovn&yacute; p\u0159epis,&nbsp;<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">jen liter&aacute;rn\u011b upraven&yacute; a v&scaron;emi pam\u011btn&iacute;ky autorizovan&yacute;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Jak to vypad&aacute;, kdy\u017e sb&iacute;r&aacute;te sv\u011bdectv&iacute; pam\u011btn&iacute;k\u016f? D\u011bl&aacute;te si z&aacute;pisky, nahr&aacute;vky, nebo v&aacute;m lid&eacute; t\u0159eba n\u011bjak&eacute; dokumenty i p\u016fj\u010duj&iacute;? A d\u016fv\u011b\u0159uj&iacute; v&aacute;m?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Mysl&iacute;m, \u017ee kdyby mi lid&eacute; ned\u016fv\u011b\u0159ovali, nemluvili by se mnou. D\u016fv\u011bra je naprost&yacute; z&aacute;klad. P\u0159i setk&aacute;n&iacute; nenahr&aacute;v&aacute;m, ale zapisuju do notesu. Nos&iacute;m si s sebou p\u0159enosn&yacute; skener, tak\u017ee si dokumenty nebo fotografie nemus&iacute;m p\u016fj\u010dovat. <\/span><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u010c&iacute;m si vysv\u011btlujete absenci v&yacute;uky o \u017eivotick&eacute; trag&eacute;dii ve &scaron;kol&aacute;ch?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Projevuje se tady soub\u011bh n\u011bkolika r\u016fzn&yacute;ch v\u011bc&iacute;, kter&eacute; by se daly shrnout do smutn&eacute;ho konstatov&aacute;n&iacute;, \u017ee na Karvinsku se o uchov&aacute;v&aacute;n&iacute; historick&eacute;ho odkazu dlouhodob\u011b moc nedb&aacute;. A kdy\u017e o n\u011bco nepe\u010dujete, za\u010dne to krn\u011bt. Pam&aacute;tn&iacute;k \u017eivotick&eacute; trag&eacute;die je otev\u0159en jen v &uacute;terky, nepo\u0159&aacute;daj&iacute; se \u017e&aacute;dn&eacute; besedy, v infocentru v&aacute;m nenab&iacute;dnou \u017e&aacute;dnou bro\u017euru nebo t\u0159eba mapku, kter&aacute; by v&aacute;s provedla po kamenn&yacute;ch pomn&iacute;\u010dc&iacute;ch na m&iacute;stech, kde vra\u017edilo gestapo. Naopak jeden&aacute;cti pomn&iacute;\u010dk\u016fm hroz&iacute; zni\u010den&iacute;, proto\u017ee p\u0159es n\u011b kdosi napl&aacute;noval trasu nov&eacute; silnice. To nech&aacute;pu, fakt ne. Dovedete si p\u0159edstavit, \u017ee by t\u0159eba skrz Lidice nebo Le\u017e&aacute;ky cht\u011bl n\u011bkdo v&eacute;st \u010dty\u0159proudovou komunikaci? P\u0159i takov&eacute;mto p\u0159&iacute;stupu nen&iacute; divu, \u017ee \u017eivotick&aacute; trag&eacute;die pozvolna upad&aacute; do zapomn\u011bn&iacute;. Jednou za rok smute\u010dn&iacute; shrom&aacute;\u017ed\u011bn&iacute;, a t&iacute;m to hasne. Ale abych \u0159ekla&nbsp;i n\u011bco pozitivn&iacute;ho &ndash; v&iacute;m o n\u011bkolika skv\u011bl&yacute;ch u\u010ditel&iacute;ch, kte\u0159&iacute; o \u017eivotick&yacute;ch ud&aacute;lostech u\u010d&iacute;, a t&iacute;mto ka\u017ed&eacute;mu z nich d\u011bkuji. A spolek \u017divotice sob\u011b taky odv&aacute;d&iacute; velk&yacute; kus pr&aacute;ce.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Je n\u011bco, co byste v t&eacute;to knize r&aacute;da vid\u011bla, ale nebylo mo\u017en&eacute; to zapracovat t\u0159eba z d\u016fvodu, \u017ee lid&eacute;, kter&yacute;ch byste se r&aacute;da na n\u011bco zeptala, ji\u017e ne\u017eij&iacute;? Kte\u0159&iacute; by to p\u0159&iacute;padn\u011b byli a z \u010deho byste je vyzpov&iacute;dala, pokud by byla ta p\u0159&iacute;le\u017eitost?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Toho by bylo! M&aacute;m v hlav\u011b spoustu ot&aacute;zek pro Hildu a Amalii Pawlasovy, Ma\u0148ku Warcopovou, Florentinu Bujokovou, Emilii Dudovou&hellip; a pro spoustu dal&scaron;&iacute;ch obyvatel vesnice. A samoz\u0159ejm\u011b taky pro Henryka Mokrosze, jenom\u017ee ten by se mnou velmi pravd\u011bpodobn\u011b odm&iacute;tl mluvit. Je hrozn&aacute; &scaron;koda, \u017ee se podrobn&eacute;ho zpracov&aacute;n&iacute; \u017eivotick&eacute; trag&eacute;die n\u011bkdo neujal hned po v&aacute;lce. Ov&scaron;em tehdy k tomu nebyla politick&aacute; v\u016fle, bohu\u017eel.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Jak je mo\u017en&eacute;, \u017ee a\u017e ve va&scaron;&iacute; knize se objevuje v\u016fbec poprv&eacute; fotografie velitele t\u011b&scaron;&iacute;nsk&eacute;ho gestapa, krimin&aacute;ln&iacute;ho rady Quida Magwitze? Jak jste se k n&iacute; dostala? V jednom rozhovoru s v\u011bdeck&yacute;m asistentem Slezsk&eacute;ho &uacute;stavu \u010cSAV v Opav\u011b Me\u010dislavem Bor&aacute;kem (kter&eacute;mu jste knihu dedikovala) jsem se do\u010detla, \u017ee fotografie Q. Magwitze bohu\u017eel nen&iacute; k dispozici.<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Je mo\u017en&eacute;, vlastn\u011b s ohledem na tehdej&scaron;&iacute; geopolitickou situaci velmi pravd\u011bpodobn&eacute;, \u017ee Me\u010dislav Bor&aacute;k nem\u011bl v osmdes&aacute;t&yacute;ch letech p\u0159&iacute;stup do americk&yacute;ch a n\u011bmeck&yacute;ch archiv\u016f, ze kter&yacute;ch jsem te\u010f \u010derpala j&aacute;. Na&scaron;la jsem tam nejen fotky, ale taky osobn&iacute; kartu Guida Magwitze ve slo\u017ece d\u016fstojn&iacute;k\u016f SS, odkud jsem p\u0159evzala \u017eivotopisn&eacute; &uacute;daje. Dostat se k t\u011bm materi&aacute;l\u016fm byl pom\u011brn\u011b slo\u017eit&yacute; proces, ale mn\u011b zkr&aacute;tka p\u0159i&scaron;lo d\u016fle\u017eit&eacute;, aby poz\u016fstal&iacute; mohli pohl&eacute;dnout do tv&aacute;\u0159e mu\u017ee, kter&yacute; vydal rozkaz k zavra\u017ed\u011bn&iacute; nebo deportaci jejich bl&iacute;zk&yacute;ch. A aby se dozv\u011bd\u011bli, z jak&eacute;ho prost\u0159ed&iacute; poch&aacute;zel, jak bleskovou kari&eacute;ru u nacist\u016f ud\u011blal. Mimochodem, za sp&aacute;chan&eacute; zlo\u010diny nebyl Magwitz nikdy odsouzen a zem\u0159el t&eacute;m\u011b\u0159 &scaron;edes&aacute;t let po \u017eivotick&eacute;m vra\u017ed\u011bn&iacute;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Nakolik v&yacute;znamn&yacute;m zdrojem pro v&aacute;s byly materi&aacute;ly Me\u010dislava Bor&aacute;ka?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Nesm&iacute;rn\u011b v&yacute;znamn&yacute;m, proto jsem mu ostatn\u011b knihu dedikovala. Me\u010dislav Bor&aacute;k odvedl obdivuhodn&yacute; kus pr&aacute;ce a j&aacute; jsem velmi vd\u011b\u010dn&aacute; jeho syn\u016fm, \u017ee mi umo\u017enili p\u0159&iacute;stup do archivu sv&eacute;ho otce a dali mi svolen&iacute; k publikov&aacute;n&iacute; n\u011bkolika dokument\u016f a fotografi&iacute;. Moc m\u011b mrz&iacute;, \u017ee jsme se s panem profesorem nestihli poznat osobn\u011b &ndash; nejen s ohledem na na&scaron;i spole\u010dnou pr&aacute;ci, ale i proto, \u017ee se mi te\u010f oz&yacute;v&aacute; spousta jeho p\u0159&aacute;tel a koleg\u016f, a j&aacute; z jejich vypr&aacute;v\u011bn&iacute; pozn&aacute;v&aacute;m, jak skv\u011bl&yacute; \u010dlov\u011bk M&iacute;\u0165a Bor&aacute;k byl.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Zpracov&aacute;v&aacute;te t&eacute;mata, kde zachra\u0148ujete historick&eacute; ud&aacute;losti, aby se za nimi do\u010dista nezav\u0159ela br&aacute;na zapomn\u011bn&iacute;, a prost\u0159ednictv&iacute;m knih je op\u011bt vrac&iacute;te lidem do pov\u011bdom&iacute;. M&aacute;te v &uacute;myslu v tomto pokra\u010dovat i ve sv&yacute;ch dal&scaron;&iacute;ch knih&aacute;ch?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Ano, je&scaron;t\u011b je p\u0159ede mnou t\u0159et&iacute; d&iacute;l &Scaron;ikm&eacute;ho kostela. A trouf&aacute;m si \u0159&iacute;ct, \u017ee v n\u011bm bude obsa\u017eeno mnohem v&iacute;ce zapomenut&yacute;ch &ndash; nebo sp&iacute;&scaron;e &uacute;mysln\u011b zastr\u010den&yacute;ch &ndash; historick&yacute;ch&nbsp;ud&aacute;lost&iacute; ne\u017e v p\u0159edchoz&iacute;ch dvou. P\u0159i re&scaron;er&scaron;&iacute;ch opakovan\u011b \u017easnu nad t&iacute;m, co v&scaron;echno se poda\u0159ilo vymazat z obecn&eacute;ho pov\u011bdom&iacute;, z kolektivn&iacute; pam\u011bti. Jsem te\u010f na p\u0159elomu \u010dty\u0159ic&aacute;t&yacute;ch a pades&aacute;t&yacute;ch let a ob\u010das se p\u0159i \u010detb\u011b dokument\u016f nebo p\u0159i rozhovorech s pam\u011btn&iacute;ky zalyk&aacute;m bezmocn&yacute;m vztekem. Rad\u011bji si ani nep\u0159edstavuju, jak obt&iacute;\u017en&eacute; to bude ps&aacute;t. Proto\u017ee psan&iacute; je emocion&aacute;ln\u011b mnohem n&aacute;ro\u010dn\u011bj&scaron;&iacute; ne\u017e re&scaron;er&scaron;e.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Kdy\u017e p&iacute;&scaron;ete o takto krut&yacute;ch d\u011bjinn&yacute;ch ud&aacute;lostech a sb&iacute;r&aacute;n&iacute;m podklad\u016f vlastn\u011b v&scaron;echny ty hr\u016fzy nep\u0159&iacute;mo pro\u017e&iacute;v&aacute;te, neodr&aacute;\u017e&iacute; se v&aacute;m to do b\u011b\u017en&eacute;ho \u017eivota? Nem&aacute; to vliv na va&scaron;e psychick&eacute; rozpolo\u017een&iacute;, n&aacute;ladu? Nebo si zcela um&iacute;te udr\u017eet odstup?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Odstup si dr\u017eet nechci a nem\u016f\u017eu, to bych nenapsala ani \u0159&aacute;dek. A kdy\u017e m&aacute;m pocit, \u017ee m\u011b to pohlcuje, mus&iacute;m si s t&iacute;m zkr&aacute;tka n\u011bjak poradit.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">D\u016fle\u017eit&eacute; pro m\u011b je, aby mi pr&aacute;ce d&aacute;vala smysl &ndash; a tahle pr&aacute;ce mi ho d&aacute;v&aacute; vrchovat\u011b. Sna\u017e&iacute;m se d&aacute;t hlas lidem tohoto regionu, kte\u0159&iacute; a\u017e p\u0159&iacute;li&scaron; dlouho nebyli sly&scaron;et. Odehr&aacute;lo se tady tolik historick&yacute;ch k\u0159ivd, o kter&yacute;ch se v\u016fbec nev&iacute;! Kdy\u017e na m\u011b p\u0159i psan&iacute; n&aacute;ro\u010dn&yacute;ch pas&aacute;\u017e&iacute; p\u0159ijde krize, poka\u017ed&eacute; si \u0159&iacute;k&aacute;m &ndash; oni to museli \u017e&iacute;t, ty to jenom p&iacute;&scaron;e&scaron;. N\u011bkdy to pom\u016f\u017ee. Jindy od psan&iacute; mus&iacute;m odej&iacute;t a vy\u010distit si hlavu.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>M&aacute;te p\u0159ehled o tom, jak&eacute; je va&scaron;e \u010dten&aacute;\u0159sk&eacute; publikum? M&aacute;m na mysli v\u011bkovou kategorii, nebo regiony, kde je z&aacute;jem \u010d&iacute;st tyto knihy siln\u011bj&scaron;&iacute;&nbsp;<\/strong><strong>(mo\u017en&aacute; pr&aacute;v\u011b proto, \u017ee se d\u011bj odehr&aacute;v&aacute; v kraji, v n\u011bm\u017e \u017eij&iacute;)? Nebo je \u010dtou v&scaron;ichni nap\u0159&iacute;\u010d generacemi a celou \u010ceskou republikou?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Ned\u011bl&aacute;m si \u017e&aacute;dn&eacute; pr\u016fzkumy, excelov&yacute;ch tabulek jsem se do\u017eivotn\u011b p\u0159esytila p\u0159i sv&eacute;m p\u0159edchoz&iacute;m pracovn&iacute;m p\u016fsoben&iacute;. Ale \u010dten&aacute;\u0159sk&eacute; ohlasy dost&aacute;v&aacute;m ze v&scaron;ech region\u016f a ze v&scaron;ech v\u011bkov&yacute;ch skupin. Pozv&aacute;n&iacute; na besedy taky&nbsp;p\u0159ich&aacute;zej&iacute; z cel&eacute;ho \u010ceska, z knihoven, ze &scaron;kol i z univerzit. Tak\u017ee odpov\u011b\u010f je nejsp&iacute;&scaron; ano, \u010dten&aacute;\u0159sk&yacute; z&aacute;jem jde nap\u0159&iacute;\u010d v&scaron;emi vyjmenovan&yacute;mi kategoriemi. Co\u017e je &uacute;\u017easn&eacute;, \u017ee? N\u011b\u010deho takov&eacute;ho jsem se p\u0159i psan&iacute; prvn&iacute;ho d&iacute;lu v\u016fbec nenad&aacute;la.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>V jednom rozhovoru jste uvedla, \u017ee se chyst&aacute;te napsat i knihu pro d\u011bti. Nos&iacute;te ji st&aacute;le v hlav\u011b, nebo jste ji zat&iacute;m &uacute;pln\u011b vypustila ze sv&yacute;ch pl&aacute;n\u016f?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">D\u011bkuju za p\u0159ipomenut&iacute;. To t&eacute;ma po\u0159&aacute;d nos&iacute;m v hlav\u011b, ano. Spole\u010dn\u011b se spoustou dal&scaron;&iacute;ch. Te\u010f se ale chci soust\u0159edit na naps&aacute;n&iacute; t\u0159et&iacute;ho d&iacute;lu &Scaron;ikm&eacute;ho kostela. Pak se uvid&iacute;, do \u010deho se pust&iacute;m d&aacute;l. N&aacute;m\u011bt\u016f a n&aacute;pad\u016f m&aacute;m spoustu.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Jakou ot&aacute;zku byste polo\u017eila Karin Lednick&eacute;, kdybyste s n&iacute; d\u011blala rozhovor? A samoz\u0159ejm\u011b n&aacute;s zaj&iacute;m&aacute; tak&eacute; odpov\u011b\u010f.<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Vy mi d&aacute;v&aacute;te! Tak j&aacute; bych se teda zeptala, na co jsem v \u017eivot\u011b nejv&iacute;c py&scaron;n&aacute;. A pak bych si odpov\u011bd\u011bla, \u017ee na svoje d\u011bti, Dav\u010du a Zuzanku. Jsou oba &uacute;\u017easn&iacute;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Text: Kate\u0159ina \u017d&iacute;dkov&aacute;<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Foto: Petr Kol&aacute;ska<\/span><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jm\u00e9no autorky trilogie \u0160ikm\u00fd kostel zn\u00e1 t\u00e9m\u011b\u0159 ka\u017ed\u00fd. \u00davodn\u00ed dva d\u00edly sklidily n\u011bkolik ocen\u011bn\u00ed, na t\u0159et\u00edm Karin Lednick\u00e1 pracuje. 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