{"id":329965,"date":"2021-05-19T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2021-05-18T22:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/nezarazene\/miroslav-barta-verim-ze-i-dnes-si-jako-lidstvo-poradime\/"},"modified":"2021-05-19T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2021-05-18T22:00:00","slug":"miroslav-barta-verim-ze-i-dnes-si-jako-lidstvo-poradime","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/rozhovor\/miroslav-barta-verim-ze-i-dnes-si-jako-lidstvo-poradime\/","title":{"rendered":"Miroslav B\u00e1rta: \u201eV\u011b\u0159\u00edm, \u017ee i dnes si jako lidstvo porad\u00edme.\u201c"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Dokon\u010dil jste teorii o sedmi z&aacute;konech, je\u017e&nbsp;maj&iacute; v&scaron;echny civilizace spole\u010dn&eacute;. Kter&eacute; to&nbsp;jsou?<\/strong><br \/>Na z&aacute;klad\u011b srovn&aacute;vac&iacute;ho studia starov\u011bk&yacute;ch&nbsp;i pozd\u011bj&scaron;&iacute;ch civilizac&iacute; jsem dosp\u011bl k tomu, \u017ee&nbsp;jakkoliv se od sebe li&scaron;&iacute; povahou, kulturou, jazykem&nbsp;a p&iacute;smem i dochovan&yacute;mi pam&aacute;tkami,&nbsp;p\u0159ece jenom vedle toho existuje i cel&aacute; \u0159ada&nbsp;obecn&yacute;ch z&aacute;konitost&iacute;, kter&eacute; maj&iacute; v&scaron;echny spole\u010dn&eacute;. Pojmenoval jsem je Sedm z&aacute;kon\u016f. Jejich definice z&aacute;rove\u0148 vysv\u011btluj&iacute; jejich povahu.<\/p>\n<p>Prvn&iacute; z&aacute;kon je <em>Z&aacute;kon kolapsu a regenerace<\/em>, podle kter&eacute;ho jsou v&scaron;echny spole\u010dnosti a civilizace omezen&eacute; v \u010dase a prostoru.&nbsp;Na jejich za\u010d&aacute;tku i konci stoj&iacute; obvykle konflikt. Jejich kolaps neznamen&aacute; z&aacute;nik, ale z&aacute;sadn&iacute; p\u0159em\u011bnu, kdy dan&aacute; spole\u010dnost nebo civilizace obvykle p\u0159ech&aacute;z&iacute; do jin&eacute;. Druh&yacute;m je <em>Z&aacute;kon skokov&eacute; zm\u011bny<\/em>, kter&yacute; \u0159&iacute;k&aacute;, \u017ee k z&aacute;sadn&iacute;m zm\u011bn&aacute;m ve v&yacute;voji spole\u010dnost&iacute; a civilizac&iacute; doch&aacute;z&iacute; n&aacute;hle, jakoby skokov\u011b, nikoliv line&aacute;rn\u011b. B\u011bhem t\u011bchto skok\u016f se zcela m\u011bn&iacute; zp\u016fsob jejich fungov&aacute;n&iacute;. T\u0159et&iacute;m je <em>H&eacute;rakleit\u016fv&nbsp;<\/em><em>z&aacute;kon<\/em>, podle kter&eacute;ho to, co p\u0159ivedlo spole\u010dnost a civilizaci na vrchol, obvykle zp\u016fsob&iacute; i jejich krizi. <em>Z&aacute;kon sd&iacute;len&yacute;ch hodnot a viz&iacute;<\/em> \u0159&iacute;k&aacute;, \u017ee ka\u017ed&aacute; spole\u010dnost a civilizace je zalo\u017eena na spole\u010dn\u011b sd&iacute;len&yacute;ch hodnot&aacute;ch, viz&iacute;ch&nbsp;a implicitn&iacute;m pr&aacute;vu. Z n&iacute; vych&aacute;z&iacute; dal&scaron;&iacute; z&aacute;kon &ndash;&nbsp;<em>Z&aacute;kon spole\u010densk&eacute; smlouvy,<\/em> podle kter&eacute;ho ka\u017ed&aacute; civilizace a spole\u010dnost pot\u0159ebuje pro svou stabiln&iacute; existenci funk\u010dn&iacute; spole\u010denskou smlouvu zalo\u017eenou na vz&aacute;jemn&eacute; spolupr&aacute;ci jednotliv&yacute;ch \u010d&aacute;st&iacute; spole\u010dnosti. Na jej&iacute; kvalitu a charakter maj&iacute; z&aacute;sadn&iacute; vliv p\u0159edstavitel&eacute; tzv. elit. P\u0159edposledn&iacute;m je <em>Z&aacute;kon energetick&eacute; a technologick&eacute; determinace<\/em>, kter&yacute; dokl&aacute;d&aacute;, \u017ee v&yacute;voj ka\u017ed&eacute; spole\u010dnosti a civilizace je determinov&aacute;n technologiemi a zdroji energie. Bez objektivn\u011b levn&eacute; energie nem\u016f\u017ee spole\u010dnost a civilizace r\u016fst ani udr\u017eet svou komplexitu. Kone\u010dn\u011b posledn&iacute; je <em>Z&aacute;kon adaptace<\/em> popisuj&iacute;c&iacute; skute\u010dnost, \u017ee o &uacute;sp\u011b&scaron;nosti ka\u017ed&eacute; spole\u010dnosti a civilizace rozhoduje m&iacute;ra jejich schopnosti adaptovat se na prom\u011bny p\u0159&iacute;rodn&iacute;ho prost\u0159ed&iacute;. <\/p>\n<p><strong>O tom v&scaron;em je va&scaron;e nov&aacute; kniha <a title=\"Sedm z&aacute;kon\u016f\" href=\"https:\/\/www.knihcentrum.cz\/sedm-zakonu\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span style=\"color: #1b3f75;\"><em>Sedm z&aacute;kon\u016f<\/em><\/span><\/a>.<\/strong>&nbsp;<strong>Jak dlouho jste na n&iacute; pracoval a jak&yacute; pohled na sv\u011bt \u010dten&aacute;\u0159i nab&iacute;dne? Je publikace dopln\u011bna i fotografiemi?<\/strong><br \/>Bez p\u0159eh&aacute;n\u011bn&iacute; mysl&iacute;m, \u017ee jsem k t&eacute;to knize dosp&iacute;val drahnou \u0159adu let, kter&eacute; jsem tr&aacute;vil bu\u010fto na cest&aacute;ch za jednotliv&yacute;mi civilizacemi na t&eacute;to planet\u011b nebo na vykop&aacute;vk&aacute;ch v Egypt\u011b a S&uacute;d&aacute;nu. Sv&yacute;m zp\u016fsobem tato kn&iacute;\u017eka obsahuje v\u011bt&scaron;inu toho, co se mi o na&scaron;&iacute; minulosti snad poda\u0159ilo pochopit. Proto kniha obsahuje i des&iacute;tky fotografi&iacute;, z nich\u017e je velk&aacute; \u010d&aacute;st moje.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dosud ani jedna z civilizac&iacute;, kter&eacute; tu byly, nevy\u0159e&scaron;ila probl&eacute;m trval&eacute;ho p\u0159e\u017eit&iacute;. Zat&iacute;m plat&iacute;, \u017ee v&scaron;echny civilizace jsou kone\u010dn&eacute;. Jak je to mo\u017en&eacute;? Jsou tedy v&scaron;echny civilizace p\u0159edem odsouzeny ke sv&eacute;mu konci?<\/strong><br \/>Zat&iacute;m v&scaron;echny civilizace, co zn&aacute;me, doplatily na kombinaci vnit\u0159n&iacute;ch a vn\u011bj&scaron;&iacute;ch krizov&yacute;ch faktor\u016f, kter&yacute;mi jsou ztr&aacute;ta legitimity elit, hybris &ndash; tedy vymizen&iacute; pokory na &uacute;kor p&yacute;chy, nadm\u011brn&eacute; mandatorn&iacute; v&yacute;daje, vymizen&iacute; spole\u010densk&eacute; smlouvy nebo ne&uacute;sp\u011b&scaron;n&aacute; adaptace na prom\u011bnu p\u0159&iacute;rodn&iacute;ch podm&iacute;nek. Jejich kombinace je koktejl, kter&yacute; nelze p\u0159e\u017e&iacute;t. My dnes toto v&scaron;echno v&iacute;me, m&aacute;me pozn&aacute;n&iacute;, znalosti, technologie, tak\u017ee z&aacute;le\u017e&iacute; jen na n&aacute;s. Nemus&iacute;me dopadnout jako v&scaron;echny civilizace p\u0159ed n&aacute;mi. Pokud se nepou\u010d&iacute;me, tak jsem hodn\u011b pesimistick&yacute;. Ale v\u011b\u0159&iacute;m, \u017ee ano.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u0158&iacute;k&aacute;te, \u017ee se civilizace vyv&iacute;jej&iacute; neline&aacute;rn\u011b, ale skokov\u011b. M\u016f\u017eete to vysv\u011btlit?<\/strong><br \/>Je to ve sv&eacute; podstat\u011b jednoduch&eacute; &ndash; ka\u017ed&aacute; spole\u010dnost se drahnou dobu nach&aacute;z&iacute; ve f&aacute;zi takzvan&eacute; st&aacute;ze, kdy se hromad&iacute; potenci&aacute;l k velk&eacute; prom\u011bn\u011b prakticky ve v&scaron;ech jej&iacute;ch oblastech, proto\u017ee jejich pozitivn&iacute; &uacute;\u010dinky postupn\u011b klesaj&iacute; a za\u010d&iacute;naj&iacute; spole\u010dnost st&aacute;le v&iacute;ce a v&iacute;ce zat\u011b\u017eovat (nap\u0159&iacute;klad rostouc&iacute; byrokracie, ne&uacute;m\u011brn&yacute; n&aacute;r\u016fst po\u010dtu &uacute;\u0159edn&iacute;k\u016f nebo ztr&aacute;ta objektivn\u011b vydatn&yacute;ch zdroj\u016f, ze kter&yacute;ch by spole\u010dnost mohla d&aacute;le financovat sv\u016fj dal&scaron;&iacute; r\u016fst). Nakonec dojde k tomu, \u017ee syst&eacute;m se rozkol&iacute;s&aacute; a z&aacute;sadn\u011b prom\u011bn&iacute; ve velmi kr&aacute;tk&eacute; dob\u011b. Typick&yacute;mi p\u0159&iacute;klady pro to m\u016f\u017ee b&yacute;t rok prom\u011bn v Evrop\u011b v roce 1989 nebo Arabsk&eacute; jaro.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jak&yacute; vliv m\u016f\u017ee m&iacute;t na n&aacute;&scaron; budouc&iacute; v&yacute;voj sou\u010dasn&aacute; pandemie?<\/strong><br \/>To z&aacute;le\u017e&iacute; jen a jen na n&aacute;s. Tato krize n&aacute;m nastavila zrcadlo, m\u016f\u017eeme se ot\u0159epat a za\u010d&iacute;t d\u011blat v\u011bci l&eacute;pe a poctiv\u011bji. Nebo skuhrat a vesele&nbsp;kr&aacute;\u010det k &uacute;padku, a je&scaron;t\u011b si u toho vz&aacute;jemn\u011b \u0159&iacute;kat, jak to d\u011bl&aacute;me skv\u011ble a b&yacute;t vesm&iacute;ru pro sm&iacute;ch. <\/p>\n<p><strong>Jak by podle v&aacute;s vypadal sv\u011bt, pokud by i na&scaron;e civilizace zkolabovala? A kolik \u010dasu j&iacute; je&scaron;t\u011b zb&yacute;v&aacute;?<\/strong><br \/>Je t\u0159eba si uv\u011bdomit, \u017ee jsme v mnoha ohledech civilizac&iacute; glob&aacute;ln&iacute;, nen&iacute; za n&aacute;s n\u011bjak&aacute; jin&aacute; n&aacute;hrada. I t&iacute;m se z&aacute;sadn\u011b li&scaron;&iacute;me od civilizac&iacute; minul&yacute;ch &ndash; ty mohly b&yacute;t v\u017edy nahrazeny n\u011bjakou jinou. Nemysl&iacute;m si, \u017ee si m\u016f\u017eeme dovolit selhat. Kolik \u010dasu m&aacute;me, se neodva\u017euji odhadovat. Alespo\u0148 ne ve\u0159ejn\u011b.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Sou\u010dasn&aacute; data n&aacute;m tak&eacute; ukazuj&iacute;, \u017ee v d\u016fsledku zvy&scaron;ov&aacute;n&iacute; hladin mo\u0159&iacute; a oce&aacute;n\u016f budou do roku 2050 zanikat \u010d&aacute;sti st&aacute;t\u016f, a v n\u011bkter&yacute;ch p\u0159&iacute;padech i cel&eacute; st&aacute;ty. Kter&eacute; to jsou a co m\u016f\u017eeme ud\u011blat, abychom tuto situaci zlep&scaron;ili?<\/strong><br \/>Ta m&iacute;sta m\u016f\u017eeme naj&iacute;t v r\u016fzn&yacute;ch koutech sv\u011bta &ndash; na Alja&scaron;ce, v Evrop\u011b, na D&aacute;ln&eacute;m v&yacute;chod\u011b, Austr&aacute;lii, ale i na pob\u0159e\u017e&iacute; Spojen&yacute;ch st&aacute;t\u016f v\u010detn\u011b Manhattanu. Na druhou stranu to nen&iacute; nic nov&eacute;ho pod sluncem &ndash; spousta minul&yacute;ch kultur a civilizac&iacute; rovn\u011b\u017e bojovala se zm\u011bnami p\u0159&iacute;rodn&iacute;ho prost\u0159ed&iacute; a nap\u0159&iacute;klad pob\u0159e\u017e&iacute; prav\u011bk&eacute; Bretan\u011b je poseto \u0159adou lokalit a pam&aacute;tek, kter&eacute; je mo\u017en&eacute; dnes vid\u011bt ji\u017e jen za odlivu. V\u011b\u0159&iacute;m, \u017ee i dnes si jako lidstvo porad&iacute;me.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jako egyptologa se v&aacute;s je&scaron;t\u011b zept&aacute;m: Pokra\u010duj&iacute; v Egypt\u011b v&yacute;zkumy navzdory pandemii?&nbsp;<\/strong><strong>A m&aacute;te aktu&aacute;ln\u011b n\u011bjak&eacute; nov&eacute; objevy?<\/strong><br \/>Tyto odpov\u011bdi p&iacute;&scaron;u po &uacute;morn&eacute;m dni v ter&eacute;nu u ab&uacute;s&iacute;rsk&yacute;ch pyramid, kde se pr&aacute;v\u011b rod&iacute; dal&scaron;&iacute;, \u0159ekl bych velk&eacute; objevy na&scaron;&iacute; expedice. Tak\u017ee v&yacute;zkumy pokra\u010duj&iacute;, i kdy\u017e zat&iacute;m v omezen&eacute; m&iacute;\u0159e, proto\u017ee st&aacute;le nev&iacute;m, jak na tom na&scaron;e leto&scaron;n&iacute; projekty finan\u010dn\u011b budou.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Pracujete na n\u011bjak&eacute; dal&scaron;&iacute; knize?<\/strong><br \/>Pracuji na nov&eacute; kn&iacute;\u017ece, proto\u017ee bez toho adrenalinu vlastn\u011b ani nemohu b&yacute;t. Bude o pozn&aacute;n&iacute; a st&aacute;le p\u0159etrv&aacute;vaj&iacute;c&iacute;ch z&aacute;had&aacute;ch Tutanchamonovy hrobky, od jej&iacute;ho\u017e objeven&iacute; uplyne p\u0159&iacute;&scaron;t&iacute; rok sto let.<\/p>\n<p>Text: Kate\u0159ina \u017d&iacute;dkov&aacute;, foto: Olga Menzelov&aacute;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u010c\u00edm se z\u00e1sadn\u011b li\u0161\u00ed na\u0161e civilizace od t\u011bch minul\u00fdch? Kolik \u010dasu zb\u00fdv\u00e1 do jej\u00edho konce? D\u00e1 se v\u016fbec jej\u00ed z\u00e1nik odvr\u00e1tit? Na tyto a dal\u0161\u00ed ot\u00e1zky t\u00fdkaj\u00edc\u00ed<br \/>\nse na\u0161\u00ed civilizace a jak to s n\u00ed m\u016f\u017ee dopadnout, jsme se zeptali zn\u00e1m\u00e9ho \u010desk\u00e9ho egyptologa, archeologa a autora n\u011bkolika knih Miroslava B\u00e1rty.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":329966,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_EventAllDay":false,"_EventTimezone":"","_EventStartDate":"","_EventEndDate":"","_EventStartDateUTC":"","_EventEndDateUTC":"","_EventShowMap":false,"_EventShowMapLink":false,"_EventURL":"","_EventCost":"","_EventCostDescription":"","_EventCurrencySymbol":"","_EventCurrencyCode":"","_EventCurrencyPosition":"","_EventDateTimeSeparator":"","_EventTimeRangeSeparator":"","_EventOrganizerID":[],"_EventVenueID":[],"_OrganizerEmail":"","_OrganizerPhone":"","_OrganizerWebsite":"","_VenueAddress":"","_VenueCity":"","_VenueCountry":"","_VenueProvince":"","_VenueState":"","_VenueZip":"","_VenuePhone":"","_VenueURL":"","_VenueStateProvince":"","_VenueLat":"","_VenueLng":"","_VenueShowMap":false,"_VenueShowMapLink":false,"twitterCardType":"","cardImageID":0,"cardImage":"","cardTitle":"","cardDesc":"","cardImageAlt":"","cardPlayer":"","cardPlayerWidth":0,"cardPlayerHeight":0,"cardPlayerStream":"","cardPlayerCodec":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[21848],"class_list":["post-329965","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-rozhovor","tag-revue"],"acf":{"related_products":null},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/329965","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=329965"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/329965\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/329966"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=329965"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=329965"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=329965"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}