{"id":329145,"date":"2012-11-01T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2012-10-31T23:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/nezarazene\/katerina-tuckova-zitkovske-bohyne-miri-na-platna-kin\/"},"modified":"2012-11-01T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2012-10-31T23:00:00","slug":"katerina-tuckova-zitkovske-bohyne-miri-na-platna-kin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/rozhovor\/katerina-tuckova-zitkovske-bohyne-miri-na-platna-kin\/","title":{"rendered":"Kate\u0159ina Tu\u010dkov\u00e1: \u017d\u00edtkovsk\u00e9 bohyn\u011b m\u00ed\u0159\u00ed na pl\u00e1tna kin"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"color: #003d7c;\"><strong> <img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"float: left;\" src=\"\/Content\/Images\/uploaded\/katerina tuckova.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"316\" height=\"211\" title=\"\">Kate\u0159ina Tu\u010dkov&aacute;<\/strong><\/span> (1980), autorka kontroverzn&iacute;ho rom&aacute;nu <span style=\"color: #003d7c;\"><strong><a href=\"\/Kniha\/vyhnani-gerty-schnirch\"><span style=\"color: #003d7c;\">Vyhn&aacute;n&iacute; Gerty Schnirch<\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/span>, kter&yacute; byl ocen\u011bn&yacute; \u010dten&aacute;\u0159skou cenou Magnesia Litera 2010, letos v b\u0159eznu vydala svou druhou knihu. Podobn\u011b jako v p\u0159edchoz&iacute;m p\u0159&iacute;pad\u011b i rom&aacute;n <strong><span style=\"color: #003d7c;\"><a href=\"\/Kniha\/zitkovske-bohyne\"><span style=\"color: #003d7c;\">\u017d&iacute;tkovsk&eacute; bohyn\u011b<\/span><\/a><\/span>&nbsp;<\/strong>bud&iacute; velk&yacute; z&aacute;jem kritiky i publika. Kniha byla na sklonku l&eacute;ta <strong>nominov&aacute;na na Cenu Josefa &Scaron;kvoreck&eacute;ho<\/strong>, p\u0159i\u010dem\u017e v t&eacute;\u017ee dob\u011b u\u017e z pult\u016f knihkupectv&iacute; zmizelo t&eacute;m\u011b\u0159 patn&aacute;ct tis&iacute;c v&yacute;tisk\u016f a titul dlouh&eacute; t&yacute;dny figuruje na p\u0159edn&iacute;ch p\u0159&iacute;\u010dk&aacute;ch \u017eeb\u0159&iacute;\u010dku bestseller\u016f.<\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p><em><strong><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">M&aacute;te radost, \u017ee p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh bohyn&iacute; zaj&iacute;m&aacute; nejen &uacute;zk&yacute; okruh etnograf\u016f, ale prokazateln\u011b i &scaron;irok&yacute; okruh \u010dten&aacute;\u0159\u016f?<\/span><\/strong><\/em><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">M&aacute;m ohromnou radost. Je to obrovsk&eacute; zadostiu\u010din\u011bn&iacute; po t\u0159ech letech tich&eacute; pr&aacute;ce v archivech, u po\u010d&iacute;ta\u010de, mezi sloupky odborn&yacute;ch knih. A jsem r&aacute;da nejen kv\u016fli sob\u011b, ale tak&eacute; kv\u016fli bohyn&iacute;m &ndash; je to mo\u017en&aacute; naposledy, kdy se o bohyn&iacute;ch mluv&iacute;, proto\u017ee na Kopanic&iacute;ch dnes nezbyla \u017e&aacute;dn&aacute;. Je to fenom&eacute;n, kter&yacute; bohu\u017eel skute\u010dn\u011b zanikl &ndash; vytla\u010dila ho modern&iacute; doba a z&aacute;&scaron;\u0165 lid&iacute;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Mohla byste knihu alespo\u0148 n\u011bkolika slovy p\u0159ibl&iacute;\u017eit?<\/span><\/em><\/strong><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Je to rom&aacute;n, ve kter&eacute;m sleduji osudy v&yacute;jime\u010dn&eacute;ho rodu \u017een, o nich\u017e se v\u011b\u0159ilo, \u017ee m\u011bly zvl&aacute;&scaron;tn&iacute; schopnosti. Tyto \u017eeny \u017eily na Moravsk&yacute;ch Kopanic&iacute;ch a \u0159&iacute;kalo se jim bohyn\u011b &ndash; um\u011bly toti\u017e bohovat, tedy prosit Boha o pomoc pro sv&eacute; &bdquo;klienty&ldquo;. Byly n\u011bco jako v\u011bdmy, lidov&eacute; l&eacute;\u010ditelky, kter&eacute; um\u011bly mimo jin&eacute; i v\u011b&scaron;tit budoucnost. Tradice jejich um\u011bn&iacute; p\u0159e\u017eila hony na \u010darod\u011bjnice, n\u011bkolikerou v&yacute;m\u011bnu re\u017eim\u016f, a\u017e byla n&aacute;siln\u011b utnuta za normalizace.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><strong><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Co bylo prvn&iacute;m impulsem, \u017ee jste se za\u010dala t&eacute;matem bohyn&iacute; zab&yacute;vat?<\/span><\/strong><\/em><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Pot&eacute;, co jsem dopsala knihu o Gert\u011b Schnirch, jsem hledala nov&eacute; t&eacute;ma, kter&eacute; by zpracov&aacute;valo n\u011bjakou p\u0159ehl&eacute;dnutou kauzu z na&scaron;ich d\u011bjin a jeho\u017e nositelkami by byly \u017eeny. Je to proto, \u017ee dok&aacute;\u017eu l&eacute;pe postihnout vnit\u0159n&iacute; sv\u011bt \u017een ne\u017e mu\u017e\u016f, rad\u011bji vol&iacute;m tedy \u017eensk&eacute; hrdinky. Nav&iacute;c jsem hledala t&eacute;ma koresponduj&iacute;c&iacute; s m&yacute;m osobn&iacute;m \u017eivotem, cht\u011bla jsem nal&eacute;zt sv&eacute; ko\u0159eny. Poch&aacute;z&iacute;m z vesnice a jako mal&aacute; jsem se musela odst\u011bhovat do m\u011bsta. S cestami na Kopanice jsem se tak jakoby vracela zp&aacute;tky do d\u011btstv&iacute;, na vesnici. I kdy\u017e nejsem p\u0159&iacute;mo z regionu Kopanic, p\u0159it&aacute;hl si m\u011b tamn&iacute; folkl&oacute;r a kr&aacute;sa b\u011blokarpatsk&eacute; p\u0159&iacute;rody. O bohyn&iacute;ch jsem se poprv&eacute; dozv\u011bd\u011bla od kamar&aacute;da historika Davida Kova\u0159&iacute;ka &ndash; p\u0159i vypr&aacute;v\u011bn&iacute; o nich nev\u011bdomky spojil v&scaron;echno, co m\u011b v t&eacute; chv&iacute;li zaj&iacute;malo, a bylo to jasn&eacute;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><strong><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Jak&eacute; byly rozd&iacute;ly p\u0159i pr&aacute;ci na obou knih&aacute;ch? A za\u017eila jste p\u0159i psan&iacute; druh&eacute;ho rom&aacute;nu t\u0159eba n\u011bjak&yacute; dotek magie, kter&aacute; je s bohyn\u011bmi spojov&aacute;na?<\/span><\/strong><\/em><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">V z&aacute;sad\u011b jsem postupovala stejn\u011b. V p\u0159&iacute;pad\u011b Gerty byla ale pr&aacute;ce s pam\u011btn&iacute;ky slo\u017eit\u011bj&scaron;&iacute; &ndash; jednalo se o problematiku, ke kter&eacute; se lid&eacute; poch&aacute;zej&iacute;c&iacute; z n\u011bmeck&yacute;ch rodin vlastn\u011b necht\u011bli vyjad\u0159ovat. Naopak se v\u011bt&scaron;inou cel&yacute; \u017eivot sna\u017eili skr&yacute;t, \u017ee v nich koluje n\u011bmeck&aacute; krev. V p\u0159&iacute;pad\u011b bohyn&iacute; to bylo tro&scaron;ku jednodu&scaron;&scaron;&iacute; &ndash; tradovalo se o nich hodn\u011b zvl&aacute;&scaron;tn&iacute;ch historek a lid&eacute; se o n\u011b cht\u011bli pod\u011blit. A \u017ee byly kolikr&aacute;t velmi zvl&aacute;&scaron;tn&iacute; &ndash; nap\u0159&iacute;klad ta o slepencovi, postavi\u010dce, kter&aacute; m\u011bla b&yacute;t upl&aacute;c&aacute;na z hl&iacute;ny a lidsk&yacute;ch neht\u016f a m\u011bla slou\u017eit k za\u0159&iacute;k&aacute;v&aacute;n&iacute; woo-doo. Podobn&yacute;ch dotek\u016f b\u011bhem v&yacute;zkumu a psan&iacute; knihy na&scaron;la v&iacute;c ne\u017e by mi bylo p\u0159&iacute;jemn&eacute;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><strong><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">V&iacute;m, \u017ee ve sv&yacute;ch knih&aacute;ch vyu\u017e&iacute;v&aacute;te historii, \u010derp&aacute;te ze skute\u010dn&yacute;ch, nalezen&yacute;ch p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh\u016f. Jak \u0159e&scaron;&iacute;te p\u0159&iacute;padn&yacute; rozpor mezi histori&iacute; a fikc&iacute;? Je t\u011b\u017ek&eacute; udr\u017eet knihu na rom&aacute;nov&eacute; &uacute;rovni a nesklouznout k literatu\u0159e faktu?<\/span><\/strong><\/em><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Takov&yacute; rozpor v\u011bt&scaron;inou v\u011bdom\u011b ne\u0159e&scaron;&iacute;m &ndash; d\u011bje se to p\u0159irozen\u011b. Pot&eacute;, co do sebe vst\u0159eb&aacute;m ve&scaron;ker&eacute; dostupn&eacute; materi&aacute;ly a ud\u011bl&aacute;m pr\u016fzkum u pam\u011btn&iacute;k\u016f, a tak na\u010derp&aacute;m informace p\u0159&iacute;mo u zdroje, se to za\u010dne dr&aacute;t ven v podob\u011b p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhu. Stylisticky ho vlastn\u011b p\u0159&iacute;li&scaron; nekoriguji pokud jsem se p\u0159ed prvn&iacute; b&iacute;lou str&aacute;nkou rozhodla, \u017ee text bude rom&aacute;nov&yacute;, mi do psan&iacute; hlahol&iacute; hlasy postav modeluj&iacute; si d\u011bj podle sv&eacute;ho.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><strong><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Nem\u016f\u017eu se nezeptat &ndash; kdy\u017e vyu\u017e&iacute;v&aacute;te skute\u010dn&yacute;ch p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh\u016f, jak velk&aacute; \u010d&aacute;st Va&scaron;ich rom&aacute;n\u016f je fikce, a co je realita?<\/span><\/strong><\/em><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">\u0158ekn\u011bme, \u017ee v p\u0159&iacute;pad\u011b Vyhn&aacute;n&iacute; Gerty Schnirch je re&aacute;ln&aacute; v\u011bt&scaron;ina knihy. Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b jsem musela modelovat dialogy, situace &ndash; v&scaron;e, u \u010deho jsem nemohla b&yacute;t. Ale kostra je re&aacute;ln&aacute; a j&aacute; u\u017e jsem byla jen jakoby socha\u0159kou &#8211; domodelovala jsem t\u011blo a vlila do \u017eil krev. V p\u0159&iacute;pad\u011b bohyn&iacute; je to m&eacute;n\u011b, \u0159ekn\u011bme, \u017ee zhruba &scaron;edes&aacute;t &#8211; sedmdes&aacute;t procent knihy vych&aacute;z&iacute; z archivn&iacute;ch dokument\u016f nebo ze vzpom&iacute;nek pam\u011btn&iacute;k\u016f. Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b, \u017ee ne v&scaron;e, co mi \u0159ekli, musela b&yacute;t naprost&aacute; pravda, pam\u011b\u0165 leckdy funguje dost selektivn\u011b a dok&aacute;\u017ee skute\u010dnost v&yacute;razn\u011b zkreslit. Ale i tyto p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhy zahrnuji do re&aacute;ln&eacute; \u010d&aacute;sti. Nicm&eacute;n\u011b, aby se d\u011bj p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhu spojil v z&aacute;v\u011bre\u010dn&eacute; point\u011b, musela jsem si i \u0159adu v\u011bc&iacute; p\u0159imyslet.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><strong><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Odkud v\u016fbec vych&aacute;z&iacute; motivace tematizovat re&aacute;ln&eacute; p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhy?<\/span><\/strong><\/em><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Skute\u010dn&eacute; p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhy a historick&yacute; r&aacute;mec m\u011b zkr&aacute;tka p\u0159itahuj&iacute; v&iacute;c ne\u017e ryze fik\u010dn&iacute; sv\u011bt. Kolikr&aacute;t v archivech nach&aacute;z&iacute;m v\u011bci, nad nimi\u017e krout&iacute;m hlavou a \u0159&iacute;k&aacute;m si, \u017ee podobn&yacute; p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh bych si nebyla schopn&aacute; vymyslet. R&aacute;da se dozv&iacute;d&aacute;m n\u011bco o na&scaron;&iacute; historii, r&aacute;da nach&aacute;z&iacute;m polozapomenut&eacute; v\u011bci. A to plat&iacute; nejen p\u0159i psan&iacute; &ndash; i jako \u010dten&aacute;\u0159ka preferuji tento druh literatury.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><strong><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">M&aacute;te n\u011bjak&eacute; liter&aacute;rn&iacute; vzory?<\/span><\/strong><\/em><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">\u0158adu. Nejv&iacute;c jsem se ale asi nau\u010dila na d&iacute;le V\u011bry Sl&aacute;dkov&eacute;, o n&iacute;\u017e jsem psala diplomovou pr&aacute;ci a j&iacute;\u017e jsem se podrobn\u011b v\u011bnovala skoro dva roky. Jej&iacute; texty jsem \u010detla opakovan\u011b a mysl&iacute;m, \u017ee d\u016fkladn&eacute; pochopen&iacute; komplexu ciz&iacute; tvorby pro m\u011b znamenalo i zp\u0159esn\u011bn&iacute; procesu vlastn&iacute; tvorby. <br \/><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Zuzana Roub&iacute;\u010dkov&aacute;<\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Kate\u0159ina Tu\u010dkov\u00e1 (1980), autorka kontroverzn\u00edho rom\u00e1nu Vyhn\u00e1n\u00ed Gerty Schnirch, kter\u00fd byl ocen\u011bn\u00fd \u010dten\u00e1\u0159skou cenou Magnesia Litera 2010, letos v b\u0159eznu vydala svou druhou knihu. Podobn\u011b jako v p\u0159edchoz\u00edm p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b i rom\u00e1n \u017d\u00edtkovsk\u00e9 bohyn\u011b bud\u00ed velk\u00fd z\u00e1jem kritiky i publika.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":329146,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_EventAllDay":false,"_EventTimezone":"","_EventStartDate":"","_EventEndDate":"","_EventStartDateUTC":"","_EventEndDateUTC":"","_EventShowMap":false,"_EventShowMapLink":false,"_EventURL":"","_EventCost":"","_EventCostDescription":"","_EventCurrencySymbol":"","_EventCurrencyCode":"","_EventCurrencyPosition":"","_EventDateTimeSeparator":"","_EventTimeRangeSeparator":"","_EventOrganizerID":[],"_EventVenueID":[],"_OrganizerEmail":"","_OrganizerPhone":"","_OrganizerWebsite":"","_VenueAddress":"","_VenueCity":"","_VenueCountry":"","_VenueProvince":"","_VenueState":"","_VenueZip":"","_VenuePhone":"","_VenueURL":"","_VenueStateProvince":"","_VenueLat":"","_VenueLng":"","_VenueShowMap":false,"_VenueShowMapLink":false,"twitterCardType":"","cardImageID":0,"cardImage":"","cardTitle":"","cardDesc":"","cardImageAlt":"","cardPlayer":"","cardPlayerWidth":0,"cardPlayerHeight":0,"cardPlayerStream":"","cardPlayerCodec":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[21848],"class_list":["post-329145","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-rozhovor","tag-revue"],"acf":{"related_products":null},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/329145","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=329145"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/329145\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/329146"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=329145"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=329145"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=329145"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}