{"id":328026,"date":"2019-06-08T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2019-06-07T22:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/nezarazene\/beseda-s-alesem-palanem-ke-knize-radeji-zesilet-v-divocine\/"},"modified":"2019-06-08T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2019-06-07T22:00:00","slug":"beseda-s-alesem-palanem-ke-knize-radeji-zesilet-v-divocine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/rozhovor\/beseda-s-alesem-palanem-ke-knize-radeji-zesilet-v-divocine\/","title":{"rendered":"Beseda s Ale\u0161em Pal\u00e1nem ke knize Rad\u011bji ze\u0161\u00edlet v divo\u010din\u011b"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">AP: Na besed&aacute;ch se m\u011b \u010dten&aacute;\u0159i ptaj&iacute;, zda jsem s&nbsp;respondenty z&nbsp;knihy Rad\u011bji ze&scaron;&iacute;let v&nbsp;divo\u010din\u011b nav&aacute;zal n\u011bjak&yacute; vztah. A j&aacute; \u0159&iacute;k&aacute;m, \u017ee ano, z&nbsp;\u0159adou z&nbsp;nich jsem se skamar&aacute;dil. Vy, kte\u0159&iacute; jste kn&iacute;\u017eku \u010detli, tak si vybav&iacute;te Jirku Sedl&aacute;\u010dka. Je to osmdes&aacute;tn&iacute;k, kter&yacute; na horsk&eacute; samot\u011b \u017eije p\u0159es&nbsp; 50 let a te\u010f je v&aacute;\u017en\u011b nemocn&yacute;. V&iacute;m to p&aacute;r dn&iacute; a telefonoval jsem si s&nbsp;n&iacute;m a byl to takov&yacute; ten hovor, kter&yacute; nejde p\u0159eru&scaron;it. Ka\u017edou chv&iacute;li se dost&aacute;v&aacute;te hloub\u011b ji a hloub\u011bji. J&aacute; si uv\u011bdomuju, jak mi ti lid&eacute; vstupuj&iacute; do \u017eivota a j&aacute; jim, je to vlastn\u011b nav&aacute;z&aacute;n&iacute; hlubok&eacute;ho vztahu.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Z&nbsp;knihy se stal fenom&eacute;n. Jak si to vysv\u011btluje&scaron;? Pro\u010d si mysl&iacute;&scaron;, \u017ee to tak lidi oslovilo? Co se ve spole\u010dnosti d\u011bje, \u017ee maj&iacute; pot\u0159ebu \u010d&iacute;st rozhovory s&nbsp;takov&yacute;mi, nemysl&iacute;m to nijak &scaron;patn\u011b &bdquo;outsidery&ldquo;?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">AP: Pro to existuje spousta racion&aacute;ln&iacute;ch vysv\u011btlen&iacute;, ale j&aacute; jim moc nev\u011b\u0159&iacute;m, proto\u017ee p\u0159ich&aacute;zej&iacute; ex post. Ur\u010dit\u011b se d&aacute; uva\u017eovat o tom, \u017ee n\u011bjakou zm\u011bnu pot\u0159ebujeme v&scaron;ichni, nemus&iacute; ta zm\u011bna b&yacute;t tak razantn&iacute;, \u017ee zakopeme ob\u010danku a odst\u011bhujeme se do maringotky nebo na horskou samotu, ale n\u011bjakou pot\u0159ebu zm\u011bny asi c&iacute;t&iacute;me mnoz&iacute;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"max-width: undefinedpx;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"max-width: 495px; margin: 10px; float: right;\" src=\"\/content\/images\/uploaded\/Ale&scaron; Pal&aacute;n.jpg\" width=\"100%\" height=\"auto\" alt=\"\" title=\"\">Kniha je protknut&aacute; autentickou duchovnost&iacute;, kter&aacute; je &uacute;pln\u011b p\u0159irozen&aacute;, ale p\u0159itom nen&iacute; hierarchicky sv&aacute;zan&aacute;. Mo\u017en&aacute; to je taky takov&yacute; rys, kter&yacute; je siln&yacute;. Je tam samoz\u0159ejm\u011b p\u0159&iacute;roda a t\u011bchto v\u011bc&iacute; je cel&aacute; \u0159ada. O t\u011bchto fenom&eacute;nech, t\u011bchto lidech je spousta dal&scaron;&iacute;ch dobr&yacute;ch knih. A mysl&iacute;m si, \u017ee to slovo &bdquo;outsider&ldquo;, kter&eacute; jsi pou\u017eila, m\u016f\u017ee b&yacute;t kl&iacute;\u010dem. Ti lidi jsou mist\u0159i v&nbsp;prohr&aacute;ch, um&iacute; prohr&aacute;vat, co\u017e je velmi nesnadn&aacute; discipl&iacute;na. Je snadn&eacute; prohru pop\u0159&iacute;t, p\u0159ej&iacute;t ji, obej&iacute;t, ale mnohem dosp\u011blej&scaron;&iacute; je prohru p\u0159ijmout a vz&iacute;t ji jako kvalitu. A nejen jako kvalitu, \u017ee se v&nbsp;\u017eivot\u011b m\u016f\u017eeme n\u011bco nau\u010dit. Ale mysl&iacute;m, \u017ee ta prohra n\u011bjak&yacute;m zp\u016fsobem, kter&eacute;mu zat&iacute;m nerozum&iacute;m, je kvalitou sama o sob\u011b. Prohr&aacute;vat je docela dobr&eacute; a mysl&iacute;m si, \u017ee spoustu drobn&yacute;ch proher za\u017e&iacute;v&aacute;me t&eacute;m\u011b\u0159 ka\u017ed&yacute; den v&scaron;ichni. Tohle je tedy mo\u017en&aacute; n\u011bco, co rezonuje jakoby nad pl&aacute;n. Kdy\u017e jsem tu kn&iacute;\u017eku d\u011blal a za t\u011bmi lidmi jsem jezdil, tak jsem si toto neuv\u011bdomoval. Zhruba rok po vyd&aacute;n&iacute; knihy jsem se spoustou z&nbsp;t\u011bch samot&aacute;\u0159\u016f v&nbsp;kontaktu a dopad&aacute; na m\u011b ta kvalita proher.<\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>I rok po vyd&aacute;n&iacute; je o knihu z&aacute;jem. J&aacute; jsem se ale setkala i s&nbsp;konfronta\u010dn&iacute; reakc&iacute; na knihu. Jeden recenzent \u0159ekl, \u017ee kniha je parazitov&aacute;n&iacute; na t\u011bch samot&aacute;\u0159&iacute;ch. Je pravda, \u017ee n\u011bkte\u0159&iacute; z&nbsp;nich se dokonce dostali do televize, do m&eacute;di&iacute;. Jak se jejich \u017eivot za tu dobu zm\u011bnil a jak se d&iacute;v&aacute;&scaron; na tuto v&yacute;tku, \u017ee jsi parazitoval na lidech, kte\u0159&iacute; \u017eij&iacute; na okraji spole\u010dnosti, a vyt\u011b\u017eil z&nbsp;toho bestseller?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">AP: J&aacute; m&aacute;m v&yacute;tky r&aacute;d. Kdyby nebyly, tak by mi to p\u0159i&scaron;lo divn&eacute;. Sp&iacute;&scaron; ne\u017e parazitov&aacute;n&iacute; je to hlubok&eacute; kamar&aacute;dstv&iacute;. Kdybych s&nbsp;t\u011bmi lidmi nebyl hlubok&yacute; kamar&aacute;d, tak ty rozhovory by v\u016fbec neza\u010daly, ti lidi by mi na to nek&yacute;vli. Kdy\u017e odejdete na samotu a zru&scaron;&iacute;te v&nbsp;podstat\u011b jako n\u011bkte\u0159&iacute; z&nbsp;nich svoji identitu pro spole\u010dnost, tak to, \u017ee byste o tom sv&eacute;m \u017eivot\u011b a postoji n\u011bkomu vypr&aacute;v\u011bt, je v&nbsp;podstat\u011b paradox. Existence t&eacute; knihy je paradox. A k&nbsp;n\u011bmu by nedo&scaron;lo, kdybychom se s&nbsp;t\u011bmi lidmi nem\u011bli r&aacute;di. Ty rozhovory nevznikaly tak, \u017ee jsem tam p\u0159ijel a \u0159ekl: &bdquo;Hele, j&aacute; s&nbsp;tebou chci d\u011blat rozhovor&ldquo;, a za\u010dal jsem nahr&aacute;vat. P\u0159edch&aacute;zely tomu dny pozn&aacute;v&aacute;n&iacute;, otrk&aacute;v&aacute;n&iacute;, j&aacute; jsem toho \u010dlov\u011bka nejd\u0159&iacute;v musel naj&iacute;t, dostat na n\u011bj doporu\u010den&iacute;. Medi&aacute;ln&iacute; ohlasy p\u0159i&scaron;ly a\u017e po vyd&aacute;n&iacute; knihy. To, \u017ee ten \u010dlov\u011bk poskytne rozhovor, to nen&iacute; z&aacute;sah do soukrom&iacute;, to je pro solit&eacute;ra drobn&aacute; v\u011bc.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Ti lid&eacute; jsou autenti\u010dt&iacute; a pokud tam n\u011bkdo p\u0159ijede, tak&nbsp; jsou schopni ho vyhodit, kdy\u017e je pot\u0159eba. A kdy\u017e si s&nbsp;t&iacute;m \u010dlov\u011bkem sednou, tak jsou schopn&iacute; se s&nbsp;n&iacute;m sp\u0159&aacute;telit. Ohlas na knihu jsme ne\u010dekali. Mysl&iacute;m, \u017ee ka\u017ed&yacute; z&nbsp;nich s&nbsp;t&iacute;m pracuje jinak, jsou velmi r\u016fznorod&iacute;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Tony, jeden z t\u011bch samot&aacute;\u0159\u016f, dnes m\u016fj velmi bl&iacute;zk&yacute; p\u0159&iacute;tel, byl p\u0159edchoz&iacute; zimu v nemocnici. P&iacute;&scaron;e n&aacute;dhern&eacute; textovky. J&aacute; jsem se ho ptal, co se mu stalo a on mi napsal: <em>Jen naprost&yacute; idiot m\u016f\u017ee j&iacute;t po namrzl&eacute; cest\u011b s rukama v kaps&aacute;ch<\/em>. Kdy\u017e ho z nemocnice propustili, tak ho na ulici d&iacute;ky knize poznal ciz&iacute; \u010dlov\u011bk. Tak jsme si s Tonym o tom psali a shodli jsme se na tom, \u017ee je jednou liter&aacute;rn&iacute; postavou, tak s t&iacute;m mus&iacute; d&aacute;l \u017e&iacute;t.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>Prozrad&iacute;me, \u017ee u\u017e chyst&aacute;&scaron; pokra\u010dov&aacute;n&iacute;. Nehroz&iacute;, \u017ee se bude&scaron; opakovat? V \u010dem by ta kniha m\u011bla b&yacute;t jin&aacute;? M\u011bla by vyj&iacute;t na podzim v r&aacute;mci Velk&eacute;ho kni\u017en&iacute;ho \u010dtvrtka.<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">J&aacute; jsem v\u016fbec neuva\u017eoval o tom, \u017ee bych ud\u011blal dvojku, nicm&eacute;n\u011b po vyd&aacute;n&iacute; t&eacute; knihy se mi za\u010dali oz&yacute;vat lidi, \u017ee v&iacute; o n\u011bkom, kdo t&iacute;mto zp\u016fsobem \u017eije, v lese nebo mezi rybn&iacute;kama. J&aacute; jsem za t\u011bmi lidmi za\u010dal jezdit je&scaron;t\u011b bez toho, \u017ee bych uva\u017eoval o dvojce, ale ti lid&eacute; z knihy <a title=\"Rad\u011bji ze&scaron;&iacute;let v divo\u010din\u011b\" href=\"https:\/\/www.knihcentrum.cz\/radeji-zesilet-v-divocine-4\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Rad\u011bji ze&scaron;&iacute;let v divo\u010din\u011b<\/a> jsou velmi rozd&iacute;ln&iacute;, jsou si velmi nepodobn&iacute;. Ale je&scaron;t\u011b rozd&iacute;ln\u011bj&scaron;&iacute; jsou ti lidi, kter&eacute; nach&aacute;z&iacute;m v jin&yacute;ch koutech \u010cech a Moravy. Ned&aacute;vno jsem byl v B&iacute;l&yacute;ch Karpatech a vala&scaron;sk&yacute;ch Beskydech, kde jsem poznal naprosto fascinuj&iacute;c&iacute; lidi s neuv\u011b\u0159iteln&yacute;mi p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhy. Kontinuita a zakotvenost t\u011bch lid&iacute; je &uacute;pln\u011b jin&aacute;. Tam ti lidi do samoty neut&iacute;kaj&iacute;, ale oni tam z\u016fst&aacute;vaj&iacute;. M<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Mluvil jsem se sedmdes&aacute;tiletou pan&iacute; na horsk&eacute; samot\u011b v lese, kter&aacute; se tam t&eacute;m\u011b\u0159 narodila, vyrostla tam, vychovala tam sama dv\u011b d\u011bti a po\u0159&aacute;d tam je. Sp&iacute;&scaron; je to asi shoda okolnost&iacute;, ale narazil jsem na lidi, se kter&yacute;mi je obrovsk&aacute; legrace. Tak\u017ee tato kniha je v&iacute;c tak&eacute; mystick&aacute; a zahlouban&aacute; jako ta prvn&iacute;, ale krom\u011b toho tam bude velk&aacute; sranda.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>V samot&aacute;\u0159&iacute;ch ze &scaron;umavsk&eacute; divo\u010diny d\u011blal fotografie <span style=\"color: #1b3f75;\">Jan &Scaron;ib&iacute;k<\/span>, co\u017e je vlastn\u011b profesion&aacute;l, v podstat\u011b fotograf sv\u011btov&eacute;ho form&aacute;tu, nyn&iacute; fot&iacute; hrdiny knihy mlad&aacute;, zat&iacute;m nezn&aacute;m&aacute; fotografka. V \u010dem je ten p\u0159&iacute;stup jin&yacute;? Jak to vn&iacute;m&aacute;&scaron;?<\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">To, \u017ee jsme zvolili jin&eacute;ho fotografa, to byla tak&eacute; snaha tu druhou knihu od t&eacute; prvn&iacute; n\u011bjak&yacute;m zp\u016fsobem odd\u011blit. Honza &Scaron;ib&iacute;k, kdy\u017e p\u0159ijede na m&iacute;sto, tak ten fo\u0165&aacute;k nesund&aacute; z tv&aacute;\u0159e, po\u0159&aacute;d fot&iacute;. A Johanka je v podstat\u011b opak, ona si s t&iacute;m \u010dlov\u011bkem pov&iacute;d&aacute;, vezme ho do srdce, nav&aacute;\u017ee vztah a fot&iacute; zaduman\u011b. Tak\u017ee mysl&iacute;m, \u017ee ty fotky nebudou tolik&nbsp; report&aacute;\u017en&iacute;, v&iacute;c v nich asi bude zazn&iacute;vat krajina a n\u011bjak&aacute; pomalost. Mysl&iacute;m si, \u017ee budou v&yacute;razn\u011b jin&eacute;. To, jak ve dvojce budou samot&aacute;\u0159i z r\u016fzn&yacute;ch kout\u016f \u010cech a Moravy, i z kout\u016f ne\u010dekan&yacute;ch, nap\u0159. z Polab&iacute;, tak tam bude v&iacute;ce krajiny ne\u017e v prvn&iacute; knize.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Text a foto: redakce&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Kniha Rad\u011bji ze\u0161\u00edlet v divo\u010din\u011b, kter\u00e1 vy\u0161la loni na ja\u0159e v nakladatelstv\u00ed Prostor, se stala bestsellerem, bylo prod\u00e1no tak\u0159ka 40 tis\u00edc v\u00fdtisk\u016f a zv\u00edt\u011bzila v anket\u011b Kniha roku Lidov\u00fdch novin. Ale\u0161 Pal\u00e1n ji o n\u00ed besedoval na veletrhu Sv\u011bt knihy Praha.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":328027,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_EventAllDay":false,"_EventTimezone":"","_EventStartDate":"","_EventEndDate":"","_EventStartDateUTC":"","_EventEndDateUTC":"","_EventShowMap":false,"_EventShowMapLink":false,"_EventURL":"","_EventCost":"","_EventCostDescription":"","_EventCurrencySymbol":"","_EventCurrencyCode":"","_EventCurrencyPosition":"","_EventDateTimeSeparator":"","_EventTimeRangeSeparator":"","_EventOrganizerID":[],"_EventVenueID":[],"_OrganizerEmail":"","_OrganizerPhone":"","_OrganizerWebsite":"","_VenueAddress":"","_VenueCity":"","_VenueCountry":"","_VenueProvince":"","_VenueState":"","_VenueZip":"","_VenuePhone":"","_VenueURL":"","_VenueStateProvince":"","_VenueLat":"","_VenueLng":"","_VenueShowMap":false,"_VenueShowMapLink":false,"twitterCardType":"","cardImageID":0,"cardImage":"","cardTitle":"","cardDesc":"","cardImageAlt":"","cardPlayer":"","cardPlayerWidth":0,"cardPlayerHeight":0,"cardPlayerStream":"","cardPlayerCodec":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[21848],"class_list":["post-328026","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-rozhovor","tag-revue"],"acf":{"related_products":null},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/328026","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=328026"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/328026\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/328027"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=328026"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=328026"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=328026"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}