{"id":327110,"date":"2015-12-07T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2015-12-06T23:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/nezarazene\/mista-pameti-naroda-2\/"},"modified":"2015-12-07T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2015-12-06T23:00:00","slug":"mista-pameti-naroda-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/rozhovor\/mista-pameti-naroda-2\/","title":{"rendered":"M\u00edsta pam\u011bti n\u00e1roda"},"content":{"rendered":"<div><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"float: right; margin-right: 10px; margin-left: 10px;\" src=\"\/content\/images\/uploaded\/petr nosalek.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"186\" height=\"186\" title=\"\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><span style=\"color: #003d7c;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">V listopadu nav&scaron;t&iacute;vil D\u016fm knihy editor knihy<\/span><strong> M&iacute;sta pam\u011bti n&aacute;roda Petr Nos&aacute;lek<\/strong><\/span>&nbsp;&#8211; novin&aacute;\u0159, p\u0159ekladatel a hudebn&iacute; publicista. Ve spolupr&aacute;ci s editory a redaktory tematicky p\u0159ipravuje vys&iacute;l&aacute;n&iacute; R&aacute;dia \u010cesko a dohl&iacute;\u017e&iacute; na jeho hladk&yacute; pr\u016fb\u011bh. Do hlavn&iacute;ch zpr&aacute;v v ka\u017edou celou hodinu p\u0159isp&iacute;v&aacute; psan&iacute;m headlin\u016f se zvukov&yacute;mi ilustracemi. V roce 2011 autorsky p\u0159ipravoval \u010dtvrthodinov&yacute; magaz&iacute;n Za sportem, kter&yacute; od b\u0159ezna leto&scaron;n&iacute;ho roku nahrad&iacute; po\u0159ad AudioPLEJER.<br \/><\/span><\/div>\n<p><em><strong><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Jak jste se dostal k historick&eacute; knize M&iacute;sta Pam\u011bti n&aacute;roda, coby novin&aacute;\u0159 a p\u0159ekladatel?<\/span><\/strong><\/em><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Ne\u017e odpov&iacute;m na ot&aacute;zku, r&aacute;d bych p\u0159edeslal, \u017ee jsem tady dneska velice r&aacute;d, proto\u017ee jsem tady skoro doma. Poch&aacute;z&iacute;m z Fr&yacute;dku a k Ostrav\u011b m&aacute;m velice v\u0159el&yacute; vztah. Jak jsem se k tomu dostal, \u017ee zde sed&iacute;m jako kompil&aacute;tor publikace, kter&aacute; se d&aacute; pova\u017eovat za historiografickou? Po z&aacute;niku \u010desk&eacute; redakce BBC v roce 2006 jsme se p\u0159esunuli s v\u011bt&scaron;inou redakce do stanice R&aacute;dio \u010cesko, kde jsem d\u011blal editora a v posledn&iacute;ch letech jsem se v\u011bnoval hlavn\u011b t&eacute;to pr&aacute;ci. Po p\u016fl roce, kdy\u017e jsme se je&scaron;t\u011b marn\u011b sna\u017eili obnovit zna\u010dku BBC, m\u011b oslovil Mikul&aacute;&scaron; Kroupa, zakladatel a majitel spole\u010dnosti <strong>Post Bellum<\/strong>. Kdysi jsem ho p\u0159ij&iacute;mal do BBC a te\u010f se role obr&aacute;tily. Je to organizace, kter&aacute; se zab&yacute;v&aacute; or&aacute;ln&iacute; histori&iacute;, nat&aacute;\u010den&iacute;m pam\u011btn&iacute;k\u016f a jejich p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh\u016f. Jsou to lid&eacute;, kte\u0159&iacute; maj&iacute; co \u0159&iacute;ct k ud&aacute;lostem 20. stolet&iacute;, zejm&eacute;na k obdob&iacute; obou totalit. Takto jsem se k pr&aacute;ci dostal. <\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><br \/><em><strong>V r&aacute;mci tohoto projektu existuje tak&eacute; mobiln&iacute; aplikace. M\u016f\u017eete n&aacute;m tuto aplikaci n\u011bjak p\u0159ibl&iacute;\u017eit?<\/strong> <\/em><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Ano, j&aacute; zde nejsem za autora publikace. J&aacute; jsem kompil&aacute;tor. Autorem je 220 lid&iacute;, jejich\u017e p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhy jsem vybral, zpracoval a stylisticky vyle&scaron;til a pot&eacute; vydal. \u010cerpal jsem ze dvou datab&aacute;z&iacute;. Ta prvn&iacute; se jmenuje Pam\u011b\u0165 n&aacute;roda, kde je v sou\u010dasn&eacute; dob\u011b asi 5000 z&aacute;znam\u016f pam\u011btn&iacute;k\u016f, druh&aacute; datab&aacute;ze je rovn\u011b\u017e tak&eacute; mobiln&iacute; aplikace, kter&aacute; se jmenuje stejn\u011b jako kniha M&iacute;sta Pam\u011bti n&aacute;roda.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><br \/><strong><em>Jak moc byl n&aacute;ro\u010dn&yacute; sb\u011br dat? Podle \u010deho jste vlastn\u011b vyb&iacute;ral respondenty, kter&eacute; tam za\u0159ad&iacute;te a kter&eacute; ne?<\/em><\/strong><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">P\u0159&aacute;n&iacute; nakladatelstv&iacute; bylo pokr&yacute;t celou republiku t\u011bmito p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhy. My to pokryt&iacute; nem&aacute;me rovnom\u011brn&eacute;, jsme z&aacute;visl&iacute; na tzv. sb\u011bra\u010d&iacute;ch, kte\u0159&iacute; p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhy sb&iacute;raj&iacute;. Spoustu jich&nbsp;m&aacute;me ve velk&yacute;ch m\u011bstech. Cht\u011bl jsem co nejv&iacute;ce p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh\u016f z r\u016fzn&yacute;ch region\u016f. I t\u011bch, kter&eacute; jsou m&eacute;n\u011b pokryt&eacute; p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhy. Na jeden kraj vych&aacute;z&iacute; zhruba patn&aacute;ct p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh\u016f, Praha jich m&aacute; nadstandardn&iacute; po\u010det. Kniha byla vyd&aacute;na k 70. v&yacute;ro\u010d&iacute; konce v&aacute;lky. <\/span><br \/><strong><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><br \/><em>Jak se li&scaron;il \u017eivot v protektor&aacute;tu v Sudetech a ve vnitrozem&iacute;?<\/em><\/span><\/strong><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">J&aacute; nejsem historik, tak\u017ee m&aacute; odpov\u011b\u010f bude v podstat\u011b laick&aacute;, j&aacute; mohu mluvit jen za sebe. \u0158eknu k tomu, \u017ee m&aacute;m takov&yacute; dojem z t\u011bch p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh\u016f, \u017ee bylo &scaron;t\u011bst&iacute; b&yacute;t v dob\u011b Mnichova v tom vnitrozem&iacute;, proto\u017ee, kdo nem\u011bl p\u0159&iacute;buzn&eacute; ve vnitrozem&iacute;, tak za\u017e&iacute;val opravdov&eacute; peklo ze strany N\u011bmc\u016f. V\u016fbec nejhor&scaron;&iacute; byla situace lid&iacute;, kte\u0159&iacute; \u017eili ve sm&iacute;&scaron;en&yacute;ch vztaz&iacute;ch, kdy byl jeden z p&aacute;ru z \u010cech a druh&yacute; z N\u011bmecka. Ti si to vypili b\u011bhem v&aacute;lky a tak&eacute; po n&iacute;. V knize m&aacute;m tak&eacute; p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh mu\u017ee, kter&yacute; byl z pr&aacute;v\u011b takov&eacute;ho sm&iacute;&scaron;en&eacute;ho vztahu a on popisuje neuv\u011b\u0159itelnou p\u0159&iacute;hodu&nbsp;o odsunu N\u011bmc\u016f, co\u017e se t&yacute;kalo i jejich rodiny. Tu zachr&aacute;nila n&aacute;hoda, kdy\u017e u\u017e st&aacute;li nachystan&iacute; k odsunu s voz&iacute;kem p\u0159ed domem, kolem pro&scaron;el jeden z komisa\u0159\u016f a v matce chlapce poznal svou spolu\u017ea\u010dku z gymn&aacute;zia. Udiven\u011b se j&iacute; ptal, co d\u011bl&aacute; v odsunu. Ta mu sd\u011blila, \u017ee je ji\u017e dlouho za jednoho N\u011bmce provdan&aacute;, ale ponechala si \u010desk&eacute; ob\u010danstv&iacute;. Komisa\u0159 pak poslal jejich rodinu dom\u016f s p\u0159&iacute;slibem, \u017ee se za jejich rodinu osobn\u011b zaru\u010d&iacute;. To n&aacute;m spadl obrovsk&yacute; balvan ze srdce. <\/span><br \/><strong><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><br \/><em>Vzhledem k tomu, \u017ee jsem v Ostrav\u011b, tak bych se zeptal, kter&aacute; m&iacute;sta Moravskoslezsk&eacute;ho kraje byla kl&iacute;\u010dov&aacute; ve va&scaron;&iacute; knize?<\/em><\/span><\/strong><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Pro m\u011b osobn\u011b to byl p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bh \u017eidovky p\u016fvodem z Polska. Ta pan&iacute; se po smrti sv&eacute;ho man\u017eela dostala se sv&yacute;mi d\u011btmi do ghetta v Polsku, ale poda\u0159ilo se j&iacute; uprchnout. Ona si dojednala, \u017ee jednomu sedl&aacute;kovi u Fr&yacute;dku-M&iacute;stku dovedla svou dceru, kde ji ukryla. Ta pan&iacute; se pak vr&aacute;tila pro sv&eacute; syny do Polska a p\u0159i druh&eacute;m p\u0159ekro\u010den&iacute; hranice ji zatklo gestapo a p\u0159i v&yacute;slechu ji se&nbsp;syny umu\u010dilo. Ta hol\u010di\u010dka tedy z\u016fstala ve Vojkovic&iacute;ch, na &uacute;zem&iacute; ciz&iacute;ho st&aacute;tu s t&iacute;m sedl&aacute;kem, kter&yacute; mamince sl&iacute;bil, \u017ee se o hol\u010di\u010dku postar&aacute;. On to slovo dodr\u017eel a schov&aacute;val ji po celou dobu v&aacute;lky. Ta hol\u010di\u010dka zde z\u016fstala i po v&aacute;lce, vystudovala pedagogiku a dnes u\u010d&iacute; ve &scaron;kol&aacute;ch ve Fr&yacute;dku-M&iacute;stku.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><br \/><em><strong>Konzultoval jste tu knihu t\u0159eba s n\u011bmeckou stranou? Vyjad\u0159oval se k tomu n\u011bjak&yacute; N\u011bmec a vid\u011bl to t\u0159eba trochu jinak?<\/strong><\/em><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Tuto knihu konkr&eacute;tn\u011b ne, bylo na ni stra&scaron;n\u011b m&aacute;lo \u010dasu. Na celou knihu jsem m\u011bl jenom dva m\u011bs&iacute;ce. Mus&iacute;m ale \u0159&iacute;ct, \u017ee c&iacute;t&iacute;m v postoji N\u011bmc\u016f to, co je te\u010f vid\u011bt i v postaven&iacute; v\u016f\u010di uprchl&iacute;k\u016fm. A to je pocit viny. <\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><br \/><em><strong>T&eacute;ma druh&eacute; sv\u011btov&eacute; v&aacute;lky a protektor&aacute;tu bylo mnohokr&aacute;t zpracov&aacute;no \u010desk&yacute;mi filma\u0159i. Jak&yacute; m&aacute;te pocit z t\u011bchto pokus\u016f?<\/strong> <\/em><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">J&aacute; jsem dostal tu nejlep&scaron;&iacute; dokumentaristickou &scaron;kolu v BBC. Obdivuji dokumenty, kde nikdo z autor\u016f neleze do kamery a nech&aacute; vypr&aacute;v\u011bt pam\u011btn&iacute;ky a lidi, kte\u0159&iacute; maj&iacute; k dan&eacute;mu t&eacute;matu co \u0159&iacute;ct. <\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><br \/><em><strong>Kdy\u017e se pod&iacute;v&aacute;me na webov&eacute; str&aacute;nky Post Bellum M&iacute;sta Pam\u011bti n&aacute;roda, tak jsou tam zmapov&aacute;ny p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhy nejen z druh&eacute; sv\u011btov&eacute; v&aacute;lky, ale v podstat\u011b cel&eacute; 20. stolet&iacute; a\u017e do 90. let. Nepl&aacute;nujete t\u0159eba editovat n\u011bjakou knihu, kter&aacute; se bude v\u011bnovat tak&eacute; novodob&eacute; historii?<\/strong><\/em><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Post Bellum se zab&yacute;v&aacute; p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhy 20. stolet&iacute;. To znamen&aacute;, \u017ee mapujeme p\u0159&iacute;b\u011bhy pam\u011btn&iacute;k\u016f a d\u011bl&aacute;me to hlavn\u011b proto, \u017ee ti nejstar&scaron;&iacute; hrozn\u011b rychle odch&aacute;zej&iacute;. Tak\u017ee z tohoto d\u016fvodu se sna\u017e&iacute;me, co nejv&iacute;ce lid&iacute; v tuto chv&iacute;li nahr&aacute;t a t\u011bm dal&scaron;&iacute;m generac&iacute;m se budeme v\u011bnovat pozd\u011bji.<\/p>\n<p>Besedu moderoval: Filip &Scaron;ime\u010dek<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>V listopadu nav\u0161t\u00edvil D\u016fm knihy editor knihy M\u00edsta pam\u011bti n\u00e1roda Petr Nos\u00e1lek.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":327111,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_EventAllDay":false,"_EventTimezone":"","_EventStartDate":"","_EventEndDate":"","_EventStartDateUTC":"","_EventEndDateUTC":"","_EventShowMap":false,"_EventShowMapLink":false,"_EventURL":"","_EventCost":"","_EventCostDescription":"","_EventCurrencySymbol":"","_EventCurrencyCode":"","_EventCurrencyPosition":"","_EventDateTimeSeparator":"","_EventTimeRangeSeparator":"","_EventOrganizerID":[],"_EventVenueID":[],"_OrganizerEmail":"","_OrganizerPhone":"","_OrganizerWebsite":"","_VenueAddress":"","_VenueCity":"","_VenueCountry":"","_VenueProvince":"","_VenueState":"","_VenueZip":"","_VenuePhone":"","_VenueURL":"","_VenueStateProvince":"","_VenueLat":"","_VenueLng":"","_VenueShowMap":false,"_VenueShowMapLink":false,"twitterCardType":"","cardImageID":0,"cardImage":"","cardTitle":"","cardDesc":"","cardImageAlt":"","cardPlayer":"","cardPlayerWidth":0,"cardPlayerHeight":0,"cardPlayerStream":"","cardPlayerCodec":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[21848],"class_list":["post-327110","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-rozhovor","tag-revue"],"acf":{"related_products":null},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/327110","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=327110"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/327110\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/327111"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=327110"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=327110"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=327110"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}