{"id":327028,"date":"2015-10-28T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2015-10-27T23:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/nezarazene\/pavla-jazairiova-pred-obzorem\/"},"modified":"2015-10-28T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2015-10-27T23:00:00","slug":"pavla-jazairiova-pred-obzorem","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/rozhovor\/pavla-jazairiova-pred-obzorem\/","title":{"rendered":"Pavla Jazairiov\u00e1: P\u0159ed obzorem"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"float: left; margin-right: 10px; margin-left: 10px;\" src=\"\/content\/images\/uploaded\/jazairiova.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"186\" height=\"186\" title=\"\">Novin&aacute;\u0159ka a spisovatelka <span style=\"color: #003d7c;\"><strong>Pavla Jazairiov&aacute;<\/strong> <\/span>pracovala v \u010cesk&eacute;m rozhlase Radio\u017eurn&aacute;l, je specialistka na Afriku a bl&iacute;zk&yacute; v&yacute;chod. O sv&yacute;ch cest&aacute;ch napsala \u0159adu knih. Letos v kv\u011btnu j&iacute; vy&scaron;la vzpom&iacute;nkov&aacute; kniha <span style=\"color: #003d7c;\"><strong><a href=\"\/Kniha\/pred-obzorem\"><span style=\"color: #003d7c;\">P\u0159ed obzorem<\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/span>, nejen o n&iacute;&nbsp;povypr&aacute;v\u011bla na besed\u011b v Dom\u011b knihy.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: left;\"><em><strong><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">P\u0159esu\u0148me se na za\u010d&aacute;tek knihy, kde zjist&iacute;me, \u017ee jste se narodila ve Francii. Jste n\u011bjak&yacute;m zp\u016fsobem Franci&iacute; ovlivn\u011bna, i kdy\u017e ve Francii ko\u0159eny nem&aacute;te?<br \/><\/span><\/strong><\/em><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">No tak m&aacute;m i nem&aacute;m. M\u016fj otec byl Holan\u010fan, moje matka z Moravy a ve Francii jsem se skute\u010dn\u011b narodila \u010dist\u011b n&aacute;hodou, proto\u017ee jsem se narodila 5. b\u0159ezna roku 1945, n\u011bkolik dn&iacute; pot&eacute;, co byl zbombardov&aacute;n most p\u0159es R&yacute;n. Moji rodi\u010de ut&iacute;kali do Francie a den pot&eacute;, co p\u0159e&scaron;li ten most, tak byl zbombardov&aacute;n. Matka dokon\u010dila vysokou &scaron;kolu ve Francii a jeliko\u017e nem\u011bla francouzskou maturitu, byla vn&iacute;m&aacute;na jako cizinka a m\u011bla to dost t\u011b\u017ek&eacute;. J&aacute; jsem b&yacute;vala \u010dasto u babi\u010dky, tak\u017ee jsme jezdili mezi Prahou a Franci&iacute; a j&aacute; jsem tam chodila tak&eacute; do &scaron;koly, a t&iacute;m p&aacute;dem jsem se nau\u010dila tak&eacute; francouzsky.<br \/><\/span><br \/><em><strong><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Jak jste si rozum\u011bla s u\u010diteli? P&iacute;&scaron;ete, \u017ee jste byla dost sv&eacute;r&aacute;zn&aacute; nejen n&aacute;zorov\u011b, ale t\u0159eba i stylem obl&eacute;k&aacute;n&iacute;.<\/span><\/strong><\/em><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Ve Francii byla ta &scaron;kola zaj&iacute;mav&aacute;, proto\u017ee d\u011bti ve &scaron;kol&aacute;ch byli velmi orientovan&eacute; na humanistick&eacute; obory. Hodn\u011b jsme se u\u010dili literaturu a na matematiku nebyl kladen takov&yacute; d\u016fraz. J&aacute; jsem v \u017e&aacute;dn&eacute; zemi nedokon\u010dila ani jeden ro\u010dn&iacute;k, tak\u017ee to bylo docela divok&eacute;. V patn&aacute;cti letech se maminka rozhodla, \u017ee je doma v \u010cech&aacute;ch. Tak\u017ee to pro m\u011b bylo pom\u011brn\u011b drsn&eacute;, proto\u017ee Francie je zem\u011b hodn\u011b svobodn&aacute; a tady se na m\u011b d&iacute;vali jako na cizokrajn&eacute;ho pt&aacute;ka.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><br \/><em><strong>Ur\u010dit\u011b jste m\u011bla &uacute;sp\u011bchy u mu\u017e\u016f&#8230;<\/strong><\/em><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Nem\u011bla.<br \/><\/span><br \/><em><strong><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Ka\u017edop&aacute;dn\u011b ve 21 letech jste se provdala za Ir&aacute;\u010dana. Jak k tomu do&scaron;lo?<\/span><\/strong><\/em><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">My jsme spolu pracovali v rozhlase. Um\u011bla jsem dob\u0159e francouzsky a v rozhlase zrovna hledali sekret&aacute;\u0159ku. Tam jsem se dostala a m\u011bla jsem tam velmi osv&iacute;cen&eacute;ho &scaron;&eacute;fa, kter&yacute; \u010dasem zjistil, \u017ee jsem jako sekret&aacute;\u0159ka nepou\u017eiteln&aacute;, ale \u017ee bych mohla pracovat jako redaktorka. Pustli m\u011b do ulic, kde jsem se osv\u011bd\u010dila.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><br \/><em><strong>B\u011bhem sv&yacute;ch pracovn&iacute;ch pobyt\u016f jste \u010dasto sp&aacute;vala na ambas&aacute;d&aacute;ch. Jak&eacute; to je sp&aacute;t na ambas&aacute;d\u011b?<\/strong><\/em><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Kdy\u017e jsem spala na ambas&aacute;d\u011b, tak to bylo proto, \u017ee jsem spala n\u011bkde v Africe nebo &Iacute;r&aacute;nu. Tak&eacute; m&aacute;m velice dobrou vzpom&iacute;nku, kdy\u017e jsem bydlela na ambas&aacute;d\u011b v Johannesburgu v Ji\u017en&iacute; Africe. Tamn&iacute; konzul m\u011b velice inspiroval, sponzoroval toti\u017e d&iacute;t\u011b p\u0159es katolickou charitu. Kdy\u017e jsem &scaron;la jednou zaplatit ten p\u0159&iacute;sp\u011bvek za n\u011bj, tak jsem si tam tak&eacute; vybrala d&iacute;t\u011b. Sponzorovala jsem hol\u010di\u010dku v Indii a taky jsem o tom hodn\u011b psala.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #dd6808;\"><strong><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Dotazy &uacute;\u010dastn&iacute;k\u016f besedy<\/span><\/strong><\/span><em><strong><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><\/p>\n<p>Zkusila byste ze sv&eacute;ho pohledu vysv\u011btlit, jak se to m&aacute; s isl&aacute;mem a arabsk&yacute;m sv\u011btem? Jedni \u0159&iacute;kaj&iacute;, a\u0165 je tady p\u0159ijmeme, druz&iacute; tvrd&iacute;, \u017ee toto nen&iacute; mo\u017en&eacute;.<\/span><\/strong><\/em><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Ti lid&eacute;, kte\u0159&iacute; p\u0159ich&aacute;zej&iacute;, nejsou zdaleka ti nejchud&scaron;&iacute;. Stoj&iacute; to hodn\u011b pen\u011bz, aby v\u016fbec \u010dlov\u011bk mohl takovouto cestu absolvovat. I ti, co jsou na t\u011bch koc&aacute;bk&aacute;ch, mus&iacute; za tu cestu zaplatit. Te\u010f ud\u011bl&aacute;m malou odbo\u010dku. Kdy\u017e jsem byla mlad&aacute;, cestoval jsem po Africe a za velmi m&aacute;lo pen\u011bz. Potk&aacute;vala jsem mnoho velmi oby\u010dejn&yacute;ch lid&iacute;, a tak&eacute; hodn\u011b uprchl&iacute;k\u016f, kte\u0159&iacute; ut&iacute;kali z m&iacute;sta, kde \u017eili, ale kde nem\u011bli absolutn\u011b \u017e&aacute;dnou perspektivu, \u017ee by mohli vyd\u011blat v&iacute;ce, ne\u017e projed&iacute;. Ti lid&eacute;, kte\u0159&iacute; zde cestuj&iacute;, doufaj&iacute;, \u017ee zde najdou pr&aacute;ci a cht\u011bj&iacute; \u017e&iacute;t jako my.<br \/><\/span><br \/><em><strong><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">J&aacute; jsem byla ned&aacute;vno v Budape&scaron;ti i Lond&yacute;n\u011b. \u0158ekn\u011bme, \u017ee ur\u010dit&aacute; \u010d&aacute;st t\u011bchto lid&iacute; najde pr&aacute;ci, ale co ten zbytek, kter&yacute; neum&iacute; ani jazyk a z&aacute;rove\u0148 zde pro n\u011b ani nen&iacute; pr&aacute;ce?<\/span><\/strong><\/em><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Oni budou m&iacute;t pr&aacute;ci, proto\u017ee oni by d\u011blali i to, co na&scaron;i lid&eacute; d\u011blat necht\u011bj&iacute;. Nap\u0159&iacute;klad Izrael po\u0159&aacute;dal za dobu sv&eacute; existence n\u011bkolik p\u0159ist\u011bhovaleck&yacute;ch vln. Jen\u017ee oni to zvl&aacute;dli velice chyt\u0159e, dali t\u011bm lidem n\u011bco m&aacute;lo na za\u010d&aacute;tek a motivovali je, aby si na&scaron;li pr&aacute;ci. Lid&eacute; museli j&iacute;st, museli bydlet. Kdy\u017e se rozvine stavebn&iacute; pr\u016fmysl, tak se rozvine v&scaron;echno a ta ekonomika se rozpumpuje.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><br \/><em><strong>\u0158&iacute;kala jste, \u017ee si muslimov&eacute; pom&aacute;haj&iacute; jako rodiny. M\u011b by zaj&iacute;malo, pro\u010d ty uprchl&iacute;ky mezi sebe nevezmou st&aacute;ty jako Sa&uacute;dsk&aacute; Ar&aacute;bie, Kuvajt nebo Spojen&eacute; Arabsk&eacute; Emir&aacute;ty?<\/strong><\/em><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Proto\u017ee jsou to bohat&iacute; parchanti. Hnusn&iacute;. \u010c&iacute;m je \u010dlov\u011bk bohat&scaron;&iacute;, t&iacute;m je lakom\u011bj&scaron;&iacute;.<\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\"><br \/><em><strong>\u010c&iacute;m si vysv\u011btlujete, \u017ee vznikl ten velice agresivn&iacute; Isl&aacute;msk&yacute; st&aacute;t?<\/strong><\/em><\/span><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">To je stra&scaron;n\u011b komplikovan&aacute; ot&aacute;zka, kter&aacute; vy\u017eaduje velice dlouh&yacute; v&yacute;klad. Kdy\u017e si vezmete nap\u0159&iacute;klad n\u011bjak&eacute;ho kluka, kter&yacute; nem&aacute; \u017e&aacute;dnou budoucnost a budete ho dr\u017eet v n\u011bjak&eacute; situaci, je to podobn&eacute;, jako byste dr\u017eeli psa v kleci a ned&aacute;te mu na\u017erat. On v&aacute;s ve chv&iacute;li, kdy ho pust&iacute;te, pokou&scaron;e. A to jsou ti lid&eacute;, kter&yacute;m byla vzan&aacute; d\u016fstojnost i budoucnost. Takto tam vznik&aacute; ta kriminalita. A t\u011bch lid&iacute; je bohu\u017eel st&aacute;le v&iacute;ce, on u\u017e je to v podstat\u011b st&aacute;t. Krimin&aacute;ln&iacute; st&aacute;t, kter&yacute; \u017eije z kraden&eacute; ropy, z &uacute;nos\u016f, z v&yacute;kupn&eacute;ho, z prodeje pam&aacute;tek \u010di z drog. Dnes ji\u017e maj&iacute; sv&eacute; &scaron;koly, nemocnice i dopravu.<br \/><\/span><br \/><em><strong><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Kolik by podle V&aacute;s absorbovala Evropa t\u011bchto uprchl&iacute;k\u016f?<\/span><\/strong><\/em><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Tak to j&aacute; nev&iacute;m, nejsem ekonom. Mysl&iacute;m si, \u017ee kdybychom m\u011bli b&yacute;t konstruktivn&iacute;, m\u011blo by se to zmapovat ekonomicky.<br \/><\/span><br \/><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Nec&iacute;t&iacute;te n\u011bkdy obrovskou beznad\u011bj z toho, \u017ee lid&eacute; tady nejsou schopni pochopit to, \u017ee ti lid&eacute; skute\u010dn\u011b trp&iacute;?<\/span><\/em><\/strong><br \/><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;\">Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b s cizinci p\u0159ich&aacute;z&iacute; dobr&eacute; i zl&eacute;. Skute\u010dn\u011b nechci, aby vedle m\u011b vznikla me&scaron;ita. J&aacute; osobn\u011b bych ani necht\u011bla, aby tady tito lid&eacute; z\u016fstali a oni sami tady ani z\u016fst&aacute;vat necht\u011bj&iacute;.<\/p>\n<p>Besedu moderoval: Filip &Scaron;ime\u010dek<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Novin\u00e1\u0159ka a spisovatelka Pavla Jazairiov\u00e1 pracovala v \u010cesk\u00e9m rozhlase Radio\u017eurn\u00e1l, je specialistka na Afriku a bl\u00edzk\u00fd v\u00fdchod. 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