{"id":16687,"date":"2022-04-13T09:57:18","date_gmt":"2022-04-13T07:57:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/?p=16687"},"modified":"2023-02-01T14:08:09","modified_gmt":"2023-02-01T13:08:09","slug":"katerina-tuckova-na-nektera-temata-se-nesmi-zapominat","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/rozhovor\/katerina-tuckova-na-nektera-temata-se-nesmi-zapominat\/","title":{"rendered":"Kate\u0159ina Tu\u010dkov\u00e1: Na n\u011bkter\u00e1 t\u00e9mata se nesm\u00ed zapom\u00ednat"},"content":{"rendered":"

Po deseti letech p\u0159episov\u00e1n\u00ed t\u0159\u00ed verz\u00ed rom\u00e1nu vyd\u00e1v\u00e1 autorka knihu o osudu \u0159eholnic perzekuovan\u00fdch komunistick\u00fdm re\u017eimem s n\u00e1zvem B\u00edl\u00e1 Voda<\/a>. Pro\u010d se ve sv\u00e9 tvorb\u011b v\u011bnuje p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm siln\u00fdm \u017eensk\u00fdm t\u00e9mat\u016fm a kdo je pro ni v tomto sm\u011bru osobn\u00edm vzorem, to prozradila v na\u0161em rozhovoru.<\/strong><\/p>\n

P\u0159izn\u00e1v\u00e1te, \u017ee se sna\u017e\u00edte vypr\u00e1v\u011bt p\u0159\u00edb\u011bhy oby\u010dejn\u00fdch lid\u00ed, kter\u00e9 nepr\u00e1vem zapadly, proto\u017ee i ty zd\u00e1nliv\u011b mal\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edb\u011bhy h\u00fdbou d\u011bjinami. \u010c\u00edm p\u0159isp\u011bly k lep\u0161\u00edmu sv\u011btu jepti\u0161ky z B\u00edl\u00e9 Vody?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ty \u017eeny m\u011bly vylep\u0161ov\u00e1n\u00ed sv\u011bta p\u0159\u00edmo v popisu pr\u00e1ce, respektive apo\u0161tol\u00e1tu. V\u0161echny \u0159eholnice \u010dinn\u00fdch \u0159\u00e1d\u016f n\u011bjak\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem pe\u010dovaly o sv\u00e9 okol\u00ed \u2013 byly to nap\u0159\u00edklad zdravotnice, o\u0161et\u0159ovatelky nebo kantorky. Proto byla tak\u00e9 Akce \u0158, p\u0159i n\u00ed\u017e je v roce 1950 vyst\u011bhovali z mate\u0159sk\u00fdch kl\u00e1\u0161ter\u016f a internovali v pohrani\u010d\u00ed, kde m\u011bly podle pl\u00e1nu mimo zraky ve\u0159ejnosti vym\u0159\u00edt, tak nesmysln\u00e1 a nespravedliv\u00e1.<\/p>\n

Jak jste si vlastn\u011b tohle t\u00e9ma na\u0161la? Nebo si na\u0161lo ono v\u00e1s?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Na sam\u00e9m za\u010d\u00e1tku byl \u00fadiv, \u017ee se tak m\u00e1lo v\u00ed o persekuci \u0159eholnic za minul\u00e9ho re\u017eimu. P\u0159\u00edb\u011bhy v\u011bzn\u011bn\u00fdch biskup\u016f a kn\u011b\u017e\u00ed jsou v\u0161eobecn\u011b zn\u00e1m\u00e9, ale o tom, co v souvislosti s Akc\u00ed \u0158 pro\u017e\u00edvaly jejich duchovn\u00ed sestry, se zas tak moc nemluv\u00ed. P\u0159ipadalo mi to nespravedliv\u00e9, tak\u017ee jsem se t\u00edm t\u00e9matem za\u010dala zab\u00fdvat hloub\u011bji. Kdy\u017e jsem pak nav\u0161t\u00edvila h\u0159bitov v B\u00edl\u00e9 Vod\u011b, kde byly b\u011bhem p\u016fl stolet\u00ed internace poh\u0159b\u00edv\u00e1ny \u0159eholnice, kter\u00e9 v tamn\u00edm kl\u00e1\u0161te\u0159e do\u017eily, bylo rozhodnuto. To m\u00edsto na m\u011b zap\u016fsobilo tak siln\u011b, \u017ee jsem se k n\u011bmu v my\u0161lenk\u00e1ch vracela celou dobu, co jsem na knize pracovala.<\/p>\n

A bylo z toho deset let pr\u00e1ce a t\u0159i verze. <\/strong><\/p>\n

Zkr\u00e1tka jsem po\u0159\u00e1d nebyla spokojen\u00e1. Neda\u0159ilo se mi v prvn\u00edch verz\u00edch textu odvypr\u00e1v\u011bt v\u0161echno tak, jak jsem cht\u011bla. Zahozen\u00ed prvn\u00edho pokusu bylo smutn\u00e9, odlo\u017een\u00ed toho druh\u00e9ho bylo skute\u010dn\u011b bolestiv\u00e9, ale na\u0161t\u011bst\u00ed u\u017e jsem v\u011bd\u011bla, jak cel\u00fd p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh podat l\u00e9pe, tak\u017ee ani ve chv\u00edli, kdy jsem to vzdala podruh\u00e9, jsem nem\u011bla nutk\u00e1n\u00ed toho nechat. T\u011bch deset let prom\u00fd\u0161len\u00ed, hled\u00e1n\u00ed a psan\u00ed byl skute\u010dn\u011b n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00fd \u010das, ale na druhou stranu to t\u00e9 knize pomohlo. Prost\u011b si to vy\u017e\u00e1dala. Te\u010f jsem ov\u0161em hodn\u011b r\u00e1da, \u017ee je ten p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh hotov\u00fd, \u017ee je ze m\u011b venku a \u017ee se m\u016f\u017eu zas v\u011bnovat n\u011b\u010demu jin\u00e9mu.<\/p>\n

Ka\u017ed\u00fd autor \u0159\u00edk\u00e1, \u017ee zat\u00edmco on p\u0159edstavuje svou kni\u017en\u00ed novinku, pracuje mu u\u017e v hlav\u011b n\u011bjak\u00e9 jin\u00e9 t\u00e9ma, proto\u017ee knihu dokon\u010dil t\u0159eba p\u0159ed rokem. Jak je to u v\u00e1s? <\/strong><\/p>\n

\u00dapln\u011b stejn\u011b. Z dokon\u010den\u00e9 B\u00edl\u00e9 Vody m\u00e1m velkou radost, ale z\u00e1rove\u0148 u\u017e prom\u00fd\u0161l\u00edm dal\u0161\u00ed t\u00e9ma. Te\u010f si chci d\u00e1t ale p\u00e1r m\u011bs\u00edc\u016f od psan\u00ed volno, abych do\u010derpala s\u00edly. S B\u00edlou Vodou jsem se skute\u010dn\u011b vydala z posledn\u00edho, tak\u017ee mus\u00edm zase chv\u00edli \u010d\u00edst a mluvit s lidmi\u2026<\/p>\n

Deset let pr\u00e1ce ale ve v\u00e1s musela nechat n\u011bjakou stopu. Vytvo\u0159ila jste si t\u0159eba n\u011bjak\u00e9 osobn\u00ed vazby s pam\u011btnicemi?<\/strong><\/p>\n

To t\u00e9ma m\u011b prov\u00e1zelo cel\u00fdch deset let, a v podstat\u011b celou tu dobu jsem k n\u011bmu n\u011bco na\u010d\u00edtala a hledala. Ka\u017ed\u00e1 ze t\u0159\u00ed verz\u00ed byla trochu jin\u00e1, tak\u017ee jsem k n\u00ed po\u0159\u00e1d n\u011bco dohled\u00e1vala a tak\u00e9 se setk\u00e1vala s nejr\u016fzn\u011bj\u0161\u00edmi pam\u011btn\u00edky anebo odborn\u00edky. A s n\u011bkter\u00fdmi m\u011b pak spojilo i p\u0159\u00e1telstv\u00ed \u2013 tahle kniha mi vzala spoustu \u010dasu a sil, ale p\u0159inesla mi i hodn\u011b dobr\u00e9ho.<\/p>\n

Jste zn\u00e1m\u00e1 nejen d\u016fkladn\u00fdmi re\u0161er\u0161emi, ale tak\u00e9 osobn\u00edm pro\u017e\u00edv\u00e1n\u00edm p\u0159\u00edb\u011bhu sv\u00fdch hrdin\u016f, \u0161la jste nap\u0159\u00edklad cestou vyhnan\u00e9 Gerty Schnirch. P\u0159em\u00fd\u0161lela jste t\u0159eba nad (do\u010dasn\u00fdm) vstupem do podobn\u00e9ho \u017eensk\u00e9ho \u0159\u00e1du?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Nep\u0159em\u00fd\u0161lela, proto\u017ee v\u00edm, \u017ee takov\u00fd zp\u016fsob \u017eivota by pro m\u011b nebyl. Hodn\u011b lp\u00edm na sv\u00e9 osobn\u00ed svobod\u011b, a i kdy\u017e tu samoz\u0159ejm\u011b omezuje \u017eivot v p\u00e1ru, po\u0159\u00e1d je snaz\u0161\u00ed domluvit se s jedn\u00edm \u010dlov\u011bkem ne\u017e s celou komunitou, kter\u00e1 nav\u00edc \u017eije podle ur\u010dit\u00fdch regul\u00ed. Kr\u00e1tk\u00fd pobyt v kl\u00e1\u0161te\u0159e, kde m\u011b velmi laskav\u011b p\u0159ijaly tamn\u00ed sestry, byl pro m\u011b ale velmi d\u016fle\u017eitou zku\u0161enost\u00ed.<\/p>\n

\u0158\u00edk\u00e1 se, \u017ee uv\u011b\u0159iteln\u00e9 v\u011bci se daj\u00ed vymyslet, ale neuv\u011b\u0159iteln\u00e9 se musej\u00ed st\u00e1t. V jak\u00fdch m\u00edstech za\u010d\u00edn\u00e1te p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh dotv\u00e1\u0159et nebo p\u0159ibarvovat a kdy ho rad\u011bji nech\u00e1v\u00e1te b\u00fdt tak, jak se stal?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ve sv\u00fdch knih\u00e1ch se pohybuju n\u011bkde na pomez\u00ed reality a fikce, p\u0159i\u010dem\u017e to, v jak\u00e9m pom\u011bru se sejdou, si zkr\u00e1tka vy\u017e\u00e1d\u00e1 s\u00e1m p\u0159\u00edb\u011bh. V\u017edycky vych\u00e1z\u00edm ze skute\u010dn\u00fdch ud\u00e1lost\u00ed, kter\u00e9 m\u011b zaujaly a kter\u00e9 si podle m\u00e9ho zasluhuj\u00ed v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed spole\u010densk\u00e9 pozornosti nebo p\u0159\u00edmo p\u0159ehodnocen\u00ed. P\u0159i jejich zpracov\u00e1n\u00ed je pro m\u011b ale prioritn\u00ed v\u017edycky vypr\u00e1v\u011bn\u00ed \u2013 struktura p\u0159\u00edb\u011bhu mus\u00ed v\u00e9st k point\u011b, ke katarzi, zkr\u00e1tka spl\u0148ovat n\u00e1roky rom\u00e1nu, stejn\u011b jako je mus\u00ed spl\u0148ovat prokreslen\u00ed charakter\u016f postav. A m\u00e1te pravdu, \u017ee p\u0159i shroma\u017e\u010fov\u00e1n\u00ed materi\u00e1lu ob\u010das naraz\u00edm na ud\u00e1losti, o kter\u00fdch si sama pomysl\u00edm, \u017ee kdybych je nem\u011bla \u010dern\u00e9 na b\u00edl\u00e9m, p\u0159\u00edpadn\u011b sama neza\u017eila, tak by mi je nikdo neuv\u011b\u0159il.<\/p>\n

Va\u0161e kn\u00ed\u017eky vynikaj\u00ed siln\u00fdmi \u017eensk\u00fdmi postavami. Jak\u00fd \u017eensk\u00fd vzor m\u00e1te vy osobn\u011b?  <\/strong><\/p>\n

Nejv\u00edc m\u011b samoz\u0159ejm\u011b nau\u010dila moje maminka, kter\u00e1 je pro m\u011b v mnoh\u00e9m vzorem dodnes. Ale pokud odhl\u00e9dnu od osobn\u00edch v\u011bc\u00ed, pak t\u011bch, kter\u00e9 m\u011b n\u011b\u010d\u00edm nadchly nebo zaujaly je p\u011bkn\u00e1 \u0159\u00e1dka \u2013 popsaly jsme je spolu s Ren\u00e1tou Fu\u010d\u00edkovou, Lenkou K\u0159\u00ed\u017eovou a Annou Musilovou v knize Hrdinky \u2013 p\u0159\u00edb\u011bhy v\u00fdznamn\u00fdch \u010desk\u00fdch \u017een<\/em><\/strong><\/a>. To proto, aby se i dosp\u00edvaj\u00edc\u00ed d\u011bv\u010data, pro n\u011b\u017e je kniha ur\u010den\u00e1, mohla inspirovat n\u011bjakou na\u0161\u00ed vzd\u011blanou, talentovanou a state\u010dnou p\u0159edch\u016fdkyn\u00ed, a m\u011bla d\u00edky n\u00ed o trochu snaz\u0161\u00ed cestu k uskute\u010dn\u011bn\u00ed vlastn\u00edch sn\u016f a c\u00edl\u016f.<\/p>\n

Jste \u010derstv\u011b dvojn\u00e1sobnou matkou. Zm\u011bnily se n\u011bjak va\u0161e pracovn\u00ed a spisovatelsk\u00e9 ritu\u00e1ly? <\/strong><\/p>\n

N\u011bjak\u00e9 ritu\u00e1ly m\u00e1m, ale te\u010f na n\u011b v\u011bt\u0161inou nestihne doj\u00edt. D\u0159\u00edv jsem nap\u0159\u00edklad pot\u0159ebovala osm a\u017e deset hodin naprost\u00e9ho klidu ve sv\u00e9 pracovn\u011b, konvi\u010dku zelen\u00e9ho \u010daje, pozd\u011bji odpoledne k\u00e1vu\u2026 Te\u010f, s p\u0159\u00edchodem d\u011bt\u00ed, jsem r\u00e1da, kdy\u017e si utrhnu dv\u011b hodiny b\u011bhem jejich odpoledn\u00edho sp\u00e1nku anebo ve\u010der, a nehled\u011b na okolnosti, pono\u0159\u00edm se ihned do pr\u00e1ce. M\u016f\u017eu ps\u00e1t kdekoliv a skoro za jak\u00fdchkoliv podm\u00ednek. Mate\u0159stv\u00ed m\u011b rozhodn\u011b nau\u010dilo efektivit\u011b.<\/p>\n

Kate\u0159ina Tu\u010dkov\u00e1<\/strong> <\/a>se narodila v roce 1980 v Brn\u011b a v\u011bt\u0161ina jej\u00ed pr\u00e1ce je s t\u00edmto m\u011bstem spjat\u00e1. Debutovala rom\u00e1nem Vyhn\u00e1n\u00ed Gerty Schnirch<\/strong><\/a>, jej\u00ed l\u00e1ska k siln\u00fdm \u017eensk\u00fdm t\u00e9mat\u016fm se p\u0159etavila do nejprod\u00e1van\u011bj\u0161\u00edho rom\u00e1nu \u017d\u00edtkovsk\u00e9 bohyn\u011b<\/a><\/strong> nebo divadeln\u00ed hry Vitka. Je vdan\u00e1, m\u00e1 dv\u011b d\u011bti a pracovn\u011b pendluje mezi Prahou a Brnem.<\/em><\/p>\n

Autorkou rozhovoru je Barbora Topinkova\u0301.<\/em><\/p>\n

Tento \u010dl\u00e1nek vy\u0161el v magaz\u00ednu Luxor v dubnu 2022.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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