{"id":15201,"date":"2021-04-30T12:36:00","date_gmt":"2021-04-30T10:36:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/?p=15201"},"modified":"2023-02-01T14:08:25","modified_gmt":"2023-02-01T13:08:25","slug":"adela-elbel-o-svobode-volnosti-a-radosti","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/rozhovor\/adela-elbel-o-svobode-volnosti-a-radosti\/","title":{"rendered":"Ad\u00e9la Elbel: O svobod\u011b, volnosti a radosti"},"content":{"rendered":"

Zn\u00e1m\u00e1 stand-up komi\u010dka, moder\u00e1torka a p\u0159ekladatelka mluv\u00ed ve sv\u00e9 knize Doba temna<\/a> o probl\u00e9mech, nevyda\u0159en\u00e9m man\u017eelstv\u00ed i o rozvodu. A pr\u00e1v\u011b tady za\u010d\u00edn\u00e1 jej\u00ed cesta na svobodu.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Slovo cesta. Cesty. Co v\u0161echno se v\u00e1m s n\u00edm spoj\u00ed?<\/strong>
\nCel\u00fd \u017eivot. Nedok\u00e1\u017eu si p\u0159edstavit, \u017ee nejsem v pohybu. B\u00e1la bych se, \u017ee zleniv\u00edm a za\u010dnu hn\u00edt. Cesta je neust\u00e1l\u00e9 pozn\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed, i kdy\u017e ta moje, te\u010f \u010dasto p\u011b\u0161\u00ed, je sp\u00ed\u0161 pozorov\u00e1n\u00ed drobnost\u00ed a detail\u016f. Nedok\u00e1\u017eu se moc soust\u0159edit na velk\u00e9 celky. Bav\u00ed m\u011b lidi a jejich chov\u00e1n\u00ed, sleduju je na sv\u00fdch cest\u00e1ch tak stydliv\u011b, nap\u016fl oka a taky si u\u017e\u00edv\u00e1m vzduch. M\u00e1m asi obdob\u00ed n\u00e1dechu.<\/p>\n

Co cesta ve smyslu t\u00e9 \u017eivotn\u00ed, t\u00e9, co nem\u00e1 nic spole\u010dn\u00e9ho s pohybem, s cestov\u00e1n\u00edm?<\/strong>
\nI tu jsem m\u011bla na mysli. M\u00e1m neust\u00e1l\u00e9 pnut\u00ed n\u011bco nov\u00e9ho vid\u011bt, poznat, n\u011bco se nau\u010dit, abych tu svou \u017eivotn\u00ed cestu n\u011bjak obohacovala. Nedok\u00e1zala bych ji nechat plynout samotnou. Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee snahou pak m\u016f\u017ee \u010dlov\u011bk naj\u00edt rozcest\u00ed, kter\u00e9 by jinak nevid\u011bl. Spoustu let jsem v\u011bnovala studiu a dost m\u011b to napl\u0148ovalo, pak nastala n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e1 doba, kdy jsem \u0159e\u0161ila jen sama sebe, a te\u010f c\u00edt\u00edm, \u017ee zase tou\u017e\u00edm po v\u011bd\u011bn\u00ed a a\u017e hltav\u00e9m nab\u00edr\u00e1n\u00ed informac\u00ed a z\u00e1\u017eitk\u016f. Moje obl\u00edben\u00e9 slovo v posledn\u00ed dob\u011b je usebr\u00e1n\u00ed.<\/p>\n

M\u00e1te na sv\u00e9 cest\u011b i v\u011bdom\u00e9 chv\u00edle usebr\u00e1n\u00ed se? A jak moc jsou propojen\u00e9 se sny a fantazi\u00ed, nebo jim vzd\u00e1len\u00e9?<\/strong>
\nPokud beru \u201eusebr\u00e1n\u00ed se\u201c jako obr\u00e1cen\u00ed se do sebe, pak ano. P\u0159i sv\u00fdch cest\u00e1ch jsem velmi \u010dasto uvnit\u0159 sebe a moc nevn\u00edm\u00e1m. Mo\u017en\u00e1 proto dok\u00e1\u017eu uj\u00edt bez probl\u00e9mu pades\u00e1t kilometr\u016f za den, proto\u017ee o polovin\u011b cesty ani nev\u00edm. Nen\u00ed to ale sn\u011bn\u00ed nebo fantaz\u00edrov\u00e1n\u00ed. To jsem d\u011blala v\u011bdom\u011b v d\u011btstv\u00ed, \u017ee jsem si snila o \u017eivot\u011b, kter\u00fd jsem nem\u011bla. Te\u010f se sp\u00ed\u0161 zab\u00fdv\u00e1m v my\u0161lenk\u00e1ch sebou v reakci na okoln\u00ed d\u011bn\u00ed. Prost\u011b se sna\u017e\u00edm up\u0159\u00edmn\u011b poznat a s\u017e\u00edt se se sebou.<\/p>\n

A o jak\u00e9m \u017eivot\u011b jste tedy snila jako mal\u00e1 holka?<\/strong>
\nJ\u00e1 \u010detla po\u0159\u00e1d dokola foglarovky, Babi\u010dku, K\u00e1ju Ma\u0159\u00edka, Gabru a M\u00e1linku, tak\u017ee jsem snila po takov\u00e9 venkovsk\u00e9 idyle, radosti a p\u0159\u00e1telstv\u00ed. No a taky jsem samoz\u0159ejm\u011b snila o tenisk\u00e1ch Pumpa, leg\u00edn\u00e1ch Adibas, a ko\u017een\u00e9m bat\u016f\u017eku ze s\u00eddli\u0161tn\u00edch st\u00e1nk\u016f. Jo a taky o r\u016f\u017eov\u00fdch lennonk\u00e1ch. U n\u011bkter\u00fdch sn\u016f jsem r\u00e1da, \u017ee se nesplnily.<\/p>\n

O \u010dem sn\u00ed va\u0161e dcery? Jsou sny nov\u00e9 generace jin\u00e9?<\/strong>
\nMysl\u00edm, \u017ee sny se moc neli\u0161\u00ed. Stejn\u011b jako ony jsem j\u00e1 tou\u017eila n\u011bco dok\u00e1zat, \u017e\u00edt si podle sv\u00e9ho a \u017eivot si u\u017e\u00edt. U dal\u0161\u00edch generac\u00ed ale vn\u00edm\u00e1m jejich svobodn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed pocit. Moje generace velmi \u010dasto zaplula do zaveden\u00fdch rodinn\u00fdch \u0161ablon. S modernizac\u00ed spole\u010dnosti, otev\u00edr\u00e1n\u00edm nov\u00fdch t\u00e9mat a v\u011bt\u0161\u00edm d\u016frazem na sv\u00e9bytnost jedince c\u00edt\u00edm, \u017ee moje dcery maj\u00ed v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed \u0161anci sv\u00e9 sny naplnit, proto\u017ee p\u0159i prom\u011bn\u011b snu ve skute\u010dnost u\u017e nebudou muset p\u0159ekon\u00e1vat tolik stigmat. J\u00e1 se je sna\u017e\u00edm nesvazovat a d\u00e1t jim co nejv\u00edc volnosti, v\u011b\u0159\u00edm, \u017ee za to budou v dosp\u011blosti r\u00e1dy.<\/p>\n

Kdy se c\u00edt\u00edte nejsvobodn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed?<\/strong>
\nMysl\u00edm ty chv\u00edle a\u017e pokojn\u00e9ho pocitu, kdy volnosti nic nebr\u00e1n\u00ed\u2026 Kdy\u017e jdu sama a nic a nikdo m\u011b netla\u010d\u00ed. Ide\u00e1ln\u00ed je, kdy\u017e m\u00e1m pro sebe cel\u00fd den a nen\u00ed tam jin\u00fd vliv. Svobodu m\u00e1m venku. Doma je spoustu v\u011bc\u00ed, co bych mohla nebo m\u011bla ud\u011blat, p\u0159e\u010d\u00edst, nezah\u00e1let. Kdy\u017e n\u011bkam jdu, tak fyzicky nem\u016f\u017eu nic jin\u00e9ho ne\u017e j\u00edt, a teprve pak je v hlav\u011b svobodn\u011b.<\/p>\n

A jak moc svobodn\u00e1 jste p\u0159i vystoupen\u00ed nebo p\u0159i psan\u00ed?<\/strong>
\nNed\u00e1vno jsem si p\u0159i n\u011bjak\u00e9 spolupr\u00e1ci, kde u\u017e \u010dlov\u011bk musel d\u011blat tv\u016fr\u010d\u00ed kompromisy, uv\u011bdomila, \u017ee obrovskou. Stand-up vystoupen\u00ed je individualistick\u00e1 pr\u00e1ce. M\u00e1me sice nad sebou zna\u010dku Na stoj\u00e1ka, tak\u017ee v\u00edte, \u017ee nejste \u00fapln\u011b \u010dist\u011b zodpov\u011bdn\u00fd jen s\u00e1m sob\u011b, ale v podstat\u011b jste. J\u00e1 sama se sna\u017e\u00edm o co nejvy\u0161\u0161\u00ed kvalitu, jsem perfekcionistka a slova v hlav\u011b hodn\u011b obrac\u00edm, ale jen j\u00e1 rozhoduju, co p\u016fjde ven. Stejn\u011b tak je to u psan\u00ed. Mus\u00edm si stoprocentn\u011b st\u00e1t za t\u00edm, co vypust\u00edm, proto jsem r\u00e1da, \u017ee mi to moje svoboda uleh\u010duje.<\/p>\n

Kde m\u00e1 va\u0161e svoboda hranice? Narazila jste p\u0159i psan\u00ed Doby temna na chv\u00edle autocenzury?<\/strong>
\nHranice jsou jasn\u00e9. Nikdy nesm\u00edm b\u00fdt svobodn\u00e1 na \u00fakor sv\u00fdch d\u011bt\u00ed. Vlastn\u011b se obecn\u011b nechovat na \u00fakor n\u011bkoho, ale j\u00e1 m\u00e1m sp\u00ed\u0161 opa\u010dn\u00fd probl\u00e9m. Autocenzuru m\u00e1 asi ka\u017ed\u00fd nejist\u00fd perfekcionista neust\u00e1lou. P\u0159i psan\u00ed takhle intimn\u00ed knihy jsem ji samoz\u0159ejm\u011b pou\u017e\u00edvala po\u0159\u00e1d. Necht\u011bla jsem nikomu ubl\u00ed\u017eit, ani nikoho pomluvit. \u0160lo mi jen o pops\u00e1n\u00ed vlastn\u00edch pocit\u016f. Mohla jsem je p\u0159edat n\u011bjak\u00e9 fiktivn\u00ed postav\u011b, schovat se za ni, ale v\u011bd\u011bla jsem, \u017ee bez autenti\u010dnosti vlastn\u00edho p\u0159\u00edb\u011bhu by byla kniha polovi\u010dn\u00ed. K m\u00e9 velk\u00e9 radosti se mi poda\u0159ilo situace nast\u00ednit a vysv\u011btlit okolnosti sv\u00fdch tehdej\u0161\u00edch pocit\u016f, ani\u017e jsem musela b\u00fdt konkr\u00e9tn\u00ed. Nap\u0159\u00edklad sv\u00e9ho b\u00fdval\u00e9ho man\u017eela cituji v cel\u00e9 knize jen jednou v\u011btou. Tu jsem si ale necht\u011bla odpustit, proto\u017ee je pro m\u011b v\u0161e\u0159\u00edkaj\u00edc\u00ed.<\/p>\n

Autorka a fotografka Pavl\u00edna Saudkov\u00e1<\/p>\n

Cel\u00fd rozhovor vy\u0161el v b\u0159eznov\u00e9m vyd\u00e1n\u00ed magaz\u00ednu Page<\/em><\/p>\n

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Ad\u00e9la Elbel<\/strong> (1981) je \u010desk\u00e1 nederlandistka a p\u0159ekladatelka z nizozem\u0161tiny, zp\u011bva\u010dka, performerka, texta\u0159ka, here\u010dka a stand-up komi\u010dka. Byla \u010dlenkou \u017eensk\u00e9ho hudebn\u00edho dua \u010cokovoko.  Vystudovala bakal\u00e1\u0159sk\u00fd a navazuj\u00edc\u00ed magistersk\u00fd obor nizozemsk\u00fd jazyk a literatura. Jako komi\u010dka vystupuje nap\u0159\u00edklad v televizn\u00edm po\u0159adu Comedy Club, v show Na stoj\u00e1ka nebo v brn\u011bnsk\u00e9 stand-up comedy show NaMikrofon.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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