{"id":14862,"date":"2021-01-11T12:20:37","date_gmt":"2021-01-11T11:20:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/?p=14862"},"modified":"2023-02-01T14:08:25","modified_gmt":"2023-02-01T13:08:25","slug":"propojeni-a-stesti-lucie-vyborne","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.luxor.cz\/blog\/rozhovor\/propojeni-a-stesti-lucie-vyborne\/","title":{"rendered":"Propojen\u00ed a \u0161t\u011bst\u00ed Lucie V\u00fdborn\u00e9"},"content":{"rendered":"

Nad\u0161en\u00ed v jej\u00edm hlase sly\u0161\u00edte, a\u0165 u\u017e s n\u00ed mluv\u00edte o moderov\u00e1n\u00ed a jej\u00edch hostech v\u00a0rozhlasov\u00e9m vys\u00edl\u00e1n\u00ed, nebo o jej\u00ed velk\u00e9 l\u00e1sce \u2013 o hor\u00e1ch a v\u00fdstupech na \u010dty\u0159tis\u00edcovky.<\/strong><\/p>\n

V anotaci se p\u00ed\u0161e, \u017ee kniha Mezi sv\u011bty je o \u0161t\u011bst\u00ed \u010dty\u0159i tis\u00edce metr\u016f nad zem\u00ed. Jak se takov\u00e9 \u0161t\u011bst\u00ed nese do n\u00ed\u017einy?<\/strong>
\nMysl\u00edm, \u017ee \u0161t\u011bst\u00ed nen\u00ed setrval\u00fd stav. Pokud n\u011bkdo o\u010dek\u00e1v\u00e1, \u017ee napln\u011bn\u00ed, kter\u00e9ho v jistou chv\u00edli dos\u00e1hne \u2013 a je \u00fapln\u011b jedno, jak\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem to ud\u011bl\u00e1 \u2013, bude trvat napo\u0159\u00e1d, bude velmi zklaman\u00fd. Mluvila jsem o tom ned\u00e1vno s Rad\u016fzou, kter\u00e1 mi \u0159ekla, \u017ee m\u00e1 mnohem rad\u011bji oby\u010dejnou spokojenost ne\u017e \u0161t\u011bst\u00ed. Kdy\u017e se budeme bavit o tom, co naleznete \u010dty\u0159i tis\u00edce metr\u016f nad zem\u00ed, m\u016f\u017ee to b\u00fdt p\u011bkn\u011b n\u00e1vykov\u00e9. Kdy\u017e u\u017e jednou v\u00edte, kde to bylo, pot\u0159ebujete se tam znova a znova vracet. Ale to bych hory a tu jejich kr\u00e1su velmi zjednodu\u0161ovala.<\/p>\n

Lze \u0161t\u011bst\u00ed popsat, definovat si ho?<\/strong>
\nSna\u017eila jsem se ty momenty popsat v knize. Pokud bych m\u011bla po tom v\u0161em, co mi dal Him\u00e1laj, Alpy, nebo Antarktida, proto\u017ee posledn\u00ed t\u0159etina knihy je m\u016fj antarktick\u00fd den\u00edk z\u00a0p\u0159elomu roku, pak bych \u0161t\u011bst\u00ed slou\u010dila se slovem propojen\u00ed.<\/p>\n

Kdy se zrodila va\u0161e l\u00e1ska k hor\u00e1m?<\/strong>
\nMysl\u00edm, \u017ee v d\u011btstv\u00ed, v dob\u011b, kdy se nemohlo moc cestovat, a tak moje maminka s t\u00e1tou po\u0159\u00eddili chalupu v Lu\u017eick\u00fdch hor\u00e1ch kousek od sjezdovky na Jedlov\u00e9, kde jsem se u\u010dila ly\u017eovat. Vy\u0161li jsme z chalupy \u2013 a j\u00e1 m\u00e1m dodne\u0161ka p\u0159ed o\u010dima tu pl\u00e1\u0148. Jako t\u0159\u00ed- nebo \u010dty\u0159let\u00e9 holce se mi zd\u00e1lo, \u017ee po n\u00ed jdeme snad na samotn\u00fd vrchol sv\u011bta. A tou pl\u00e1n\u00ed \u0161ly jen stopy moj\u00ed m\u00e1my, kter\u00e1 s ly\u017eemi na z\u00e1dech cestu pro\u0161lap\u00e1vala, za n\u00ed kr\u00e1\u010del m\u016fj star\u0161\u00ed br\u00e1cha a nakonec j\u00e1. Pamatuji si z\u00a0toho ono nekone\u010dno rozprost\u00edraj\u00edc\u00ed se do d\u00e1lky, to t\u0159pyt\u011bn\u00ed se sn\u011bhu, kter\u00e9 pro m\u011b i po letech m\u00e1 hodnotu vy\u0161\u0161\u00ed, ne\u017e kdyby \u010dlov\u011bk kr\u00e1\u010del po poli poset\u00e9m diamanty.<\/p>\n

Je ten pocit z d\u011btstv\u00ed toto\u017en\u00fd s t\u00edm, co pro\u017e\u00edv\u00e1\u0161 na hor\u00e1ch dnes?<\/strong>
\nSv\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem ano. Dneska bych na Jedlovou vyb\u011bhla z na\u0161\u00ed b\u00fdval\u00e9 chalupy t\u0159eba za patn\u00e1ct minut. A t\u0159eba bych si vzala skialpov\u00e9 ly\u017ee, proto\u017ee u\u017e bych nemusela pro\u0161lap\u00e1vat cestu v p\u0159ezk\u00e1\u010d\u00edch. Pocity ale z\u016fst\u00e1vaj\u00ed stejn\u00e9, vrac\u00ed se to d\u011btsk\u00e9 vzru\u0161en\u00ed z nekone\u010dna, ze zv\u011bdavosti, co je za horizontem, i z\u00a0touhy prost\u011b j\u00edt, j\u00edt, j\u00edt a nezastavovat se.<\/p>\n

Jak v\u00e1s tak poslouch\u00e1m, k pocitu \u0161t\u011bst\u00ed pot\u0159ebujete trochu mrznout?<\/strong>
\nNe nutn\u011b ? V knize je i kapitola o Havaji.<\/p>\n

Co\u017e je ona v\u00fdjimka potvrzuj\u00edc\u00ed pravidlo.<\/strong>
\nI tam jsem c\u00edtila siln\u00fd pocit propojen\u00ed. Kdy\u017e chyt\u00edte vlnu a jedete na n\u00ed, energie oce\u00e1nu, kter\u00e1 se sb\u00edr\u00e1 des\u00edtky \u010di stovky mil od pob\u0159e\u017e\u00ed, kde vlna vznik\u00e1, tak tahle energie oce\u00e1nu se do v\u00e1s vraz\u00ed. Pokud jsou vlny velk\u00e9 a vy vysko\u010d\u00edte ve spr\u00e1vnou chv\u00edli na prkno, stanete se prodlou\u017een\u00edm vlny, sou\u010d\u00e1st\u00ed oce\u00e1nu. Je to stejn\u00e9 jako propojen\u00ed p\u0159i lezen\u00ed po hor\u00e1ch. Propojen\u00ed s\u00a0vy\u0161\u0161\u00edm principem nebo s p\u0159\u00edrodou je ale stejn\u011b siln\u00e9, jako kdy\u017e se povede propojen\u00ed s n\u011bjak\u00fdm spr\u00e1vn\u00fdm \u010dlov\u011bkem, a\u0165 u\u017e je to milovan\u00e1 bytost, nebo kolega, se kter\u00fdm vezmete za pr\u00e1ci a jedete v\u00a0tom oba. To jsou momenty \u0161t\u011bst\u00ed.<\/p>\n

Jak \u010dasto za\u017e\u00edv\u00e1te takov\u00e9to momenty propojen\u00ed, chv\u00edle \u0161t\u011bst\u00ed s lidmi, kdy\u017e se setk\u00e1v\u00e1te s\u00a0tolika r\u016fzn\u00fdmi osobnosti u\u017e jen d\u00edky va\u0161im rozhovor\u016fm na Radio\u017eurn\u00e1lu, nebo p\u0159i moderov\u00e1n\u00ed akc\u00ed?<\/strong>
\nNejsou \u010dast\u00e9, ale kdy\u017e jsou, pak jsou siln\u00e9 a vz\u00e1cn\u00e9. Jak neust\u00e1le putuji mezi sv\u011bty, doputov\u00e1v\u00e1m p\u0159esn\u011b k t\u011bm moment\u016fm propojen\u00ed s bytost\u00ed. V kn\u00ed\u017ece popisuji i jednu nonverb\u00e1ln\u00ed v\u00fdm\u011bnu s Milu\u0161kou Havl\u016fjovou, co\u017e je \u00factyhodn\u00e1 d\u00e1ma, b\u00fdval\u00e1 politick\u00e1 v\u011bze\u0148kyn\u011b z pades\u00e1t\u00fdch let. V\u0161echno, co jsme si ne\u0159ekly v rozhovoru, to \u00fapln\u011b nejpodstatn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed, jsme si pov\u011bd\u011bly v\u00a0asi minutu a p\u016fl trvaj\u00edc\u00ed v\u00fdm\u011bn\u011b pohled\u016f. Tam se to cel\u00e9 stalo. Kdy\u017e se na v\u00e1s pod\u00edv\u00e1 d\u00e1ma, kter\u00e1 ust\u00e1la to, co by v\u011bt\u0161ina lid\u00ed v\u016fbec nebyla schopn\u00e1 ust\u00e1t, a ve tv\u00e1\u0159i j\u00ed \u010dtete v\u00fdraz \u201eD\u011bvenko, te\u010f vy\u201c \u2013 a je\u0161t\u011b v\u00e1s u toho chyt\u00ed za ruku, pak sice ml\u010d\u00edte, ale p\u0159esn\u011b v\u00edte, co m\u00e1 na mysli. A v du\u0161i vznikne zmatek, kdy v\u00e1s napadne jedin\u011b: \u201eAle pan\u00ed Havl\u016fjov\u00e1, na tohle j\u00e1 fakt nem\u00e1m, j\u00e1 nejsem takov\u00fd sek\u00e1\u010d jako vy.\u201c A ona se st\u00e1le d\u00edv\u00e1 t\u00edm vl\u00eddn\u00fdm, laskav\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem, uklid\u0148uj\u00edc\u00edm, a\u017e se zalyk\u00e1te. I tohle je propojen\u00ed. V p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b rozhovor\u016f, kter\u00e9 d\u011bl\u00e1m na Radio\u017eurn\u00e1lu, se to samoz\u0159ejm\u011b nest\u00e1v\u00e1 denn\u011b. Nem\u016f\u017ee se to st\u00e1vat denn\u011b.<\/p>\n

Pokud jsme mezi sv\u011bty \u2013 do hor, p\u0159\u00edpadn\u011b k vln\u00e1m se v\u011brn\u011b vrac\u00edte. Ale vrac\u00edte se i k lidem, se kter\u00fdmi vzniklo siln\u011bj\u0161\u00ed propojen\u00ed?<\/strong>
\nSamoz\u0159ejm\u011b. Kdyby \u010dlov\u011bk n\u011bkoho takov\u00e9ho nechal ze sv\u00e9ho \u017eivota odej\u00edt, byl by sv\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem bl\u00e1zen. Pochopiteln\u011b je t\u0159eba respektovat, \u017ee ka\u017ed\u00fd m\u00e1 svoji profesi a sv\u016fj \u010das. P\u0159esto jsem p\u0159esv\u011bd\u010den\u00e1, \u017ee lid\u00e9, kte\u0159\u00ed mezi sebou propojen\u00ed c\u00edt\u00ed, maj\u00ed pot\u0159ebu se jeden ke druh\u00e9mu vracet. P\u00e1r takov\u00fdch lid\u00ed jsem v kn\u00ed\u017ece zm\u00ednila, proto\u017ee jsou pro m\u011b d\u016fle\u017eit\u00ed. V\u011b\u0159\u00edm, \u017ee je to vz\u00e1jemn\u00e9.<\/p>\n

Co pro v\u00e1s p\u0159edstavuje pohodl\u00ed?<\/strong>
\nPohodl\u00ed? Nikdy jsem se nad t\u00edm nezam\u00fd\u0161lela. Nen\u00ed to nic pejorativn\u00edho, je to p\u0159\u00edjemn\u00e1 chv\u00edle, kdy si \u010dlov\u011bk posed\u00ed n\u011bkde, kde je teplo a laskavo.<\/p>\n

Pamatujete se na podobnou chv\u00edli z posledn\u00edch m\u011bs\u00edc\u016f?<\/strong>
\nVypad\u00e1m jako bl\u00e1zen, ale nejsem! ? Doma, pohodi\u010dka, pol\u00edvka na plotn\u011b. Nebo \u010dlov\u011bk \u010derstv\u011b umyt vych\u00e1z\u00ed z l\u00e1zn\u011b a je se sv\u00fdmi bli\u017en\u00edmi. I to je jist\u00e1 m\u00edra pohodl\u00ed. Ned\u00e1vno jsme nat\u00e1\u010deli rozhovor v Kru\u0161n\u00fdch hor\u00e1ch v zanikl\u00e9 sudetsk\u00e9 vesnici Kr\u00e1l\u016fv Ml\u00fdn, kam n\u00e1s pozval \u010dlov\u011bk, kter\u00fd velmi kr\u00e1sn\u011b fotografuje Kru\u0161n\u00e9 hory a tak\u00e9 o nich n\u00e1dhern\u00e9 mluv\u00ed. Ta osada je polorozpadl\u00e1, ale jeden z t\u011bch dom\u016f se poda\u0159ilo aspo\u0148 \u010d\u00e1ste\u010dn\u011b zast\u0159e\u0161it, tak\u017ee tu postavili jakousi \u00fatulnu. A my tam do\u0161li za toho nejechtovn\u011bj\u0161\u00edho podzimn\u00edho po\u010das\u00ed \u2013 po dlouh\u00fdch pl\u00e1n\u00edch s vyrudlou kru\u0161nohorskou travou se v\u00e1lely mlhy, m\u017eilo, foukal v\u00edtr a za\u010dalo se stm\u00edvat. Petr rozd\u011blal v kamnech ohe\u0148, co\u017e sta\u010dilo k tomu, aby najednou vzniklo \u00fatulno. Mo\u017en\u00e1 je \u00fatulno pr\u00e1v\u011b teplo a ohe\u0148 a dobr\u00e1 spole\u010dnost. Takov\u00e1hle \u201e\u00fatulna\u201c zn\u00e1m i v m\u00edstech a chv\u00edl\u00edch, kdy se \u010dlov\u011bk v siln\u00e9 vich\u0159ici dostane do \u00fakrytu \u2013 co\u017e se mi stalo v Alp\u00e1ch se dv\u011bma p\u0159\u00e1teli \u2013 horsk\u00fdmi v\u016fdci. Tehdy byla u\u017e tma, foukal v n\u00e1razech v\u00edtr rychlost\u00ed p\u0159es sto kilometr\u016f v hodin\u011b, kluci m\u011b dr\u017eeli ka\u017ed\u00fd z jedn\u00e9 strany za popruh batohu, abych jim neul\u00edtla, nakonec jsme se po kolenou a s cep\u00edny doplazili do bivaku, co\u017e je plechov\u00e1 bouda velikosti boudi\u010dky na zahradn\u00ed n\u00e1\u0159ad\u00ed. V\u00edtr foukal tak, \u017ee jsem o\u010dek\u00e1vala, \u017ee i ta bouda ukotven\u00e1 na h\u0159ebenu za chv\u00edli sjede dol\u016f. \u0158\u00edkala jsem si, \u017ee se ned\u00e1 nic d\u011blat, \u017ee aspo\u0148 um\u0159eme ve t\u0159ech, ne ka\u017ed\u00fd o samot\u011b. A ve chv\u00edli, kdy jsme se zavrtali do spac\u00e1k\u016f na t\u011bch mal\u00fdch promrzl\u00fdch kavalc\u00edch a p\u0159ipravili si aspo\u0148 n\u011bjak\u00e9 j\u00eddlo, i tehdy bylo sv\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem \u00fatulno.<\/p>\n

M\u011bla jste v tu chv\u00edli strach?<\/strong>
\nSp\u00ed\u0161 ne, m\u00e1m mu\u017esk\u00e9 my\u0161len\u00ed. P\u0159em\u00fd\u0161l\u00edm co nejkonstruktivn\u011bji, jak z\u00a0toho ven. A proto\u017ee oba dva mu\u017ei jsou zku\u0161en\u00ed hor\u0161t\u00ed v\u016fdci, v\u011bd\u011bla jsem, \u017ee m\u011b nenechaj\u00ed jen tak n\u011bkam ul\u00edtnout. Ale fakt je, \u017ee kdyby nebyli profesion\u00e1ln\u00ed hor\u0161t\u00ed v\u016fdci, mohla jsem p\u0159elet\u011bt hranu, po kter\u00e9 jsme lezli \u2013 a pak u\u017e by n\u00e1sledoval asi kilometr dlouh\u00fd sjezd po strm\u00e9m ledov\u00e9m svahu pln\u00e9m \u0161utr\u016f. Jen\u017ee tyhle my\u0161lenky si v tu chv\u00edli nep\u0159ipou\u0161t\u00edm.<\/p>\n

Pavl\u00edna Saudkov\u00e1<\/p>\n

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Lucie V\u00fdborn\u00e1<\/strong> je moder\u00e1torka Radio\u017eurn\u00e1lu, kter\u00e1 se neboj\u00ed \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9ho t\u00e9matu a na rozhovory se pe\u010dliv\u011b p\u0159ipravuje. K tomu je ale tak\u00e9 velkou dobrodru\u017ekou. Bav\u00ed ji poezie, jachting, lezen\u00ed, motorky, va\u0159en\u00ed, pot\u00e1p\u011bn\u00ed, fotografov\u00e1n\u00ed a le\u017een\u00ed ve van\u011b.<\/p>\n

Cel\u00fd rozhovor vy\u0161el v\u00a0magaz\u00ednu Page 2020\/12-01<\/em><\/p>\n

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